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Re: Eleven Music

#151

This is an incredible achievement, but as a musician, I wish this would go die in a fire. I'm a bedroom hobby musician with no dreams of ever making it big, but even so, I'm looking at the hours I'm spending trying to improve my skills and thinking what's the point, really, when I could just type in 'heavy metal guitar solo at 160bpm, A minor' and get something much much better? I know there is value in creating art…

I am not sure if this will be any help to you at all, but the technical skill of music - especially in (from your comment) heavy metal - has only ever been a tiny part of it. You probably know a guy in a local pub band who can note-for-note play every singly thing that Toni Iommi ever recorded, for instance.

There are hundreds of bands who play three-chord doom or mindless-shredding grind who just learned one thing and do it well, and who play to hundreds of people multiple times a week (often including me). We go to see these bands not to see what they can play, but to see what they are saying with what they play.

This is why I feel that I can never describe LLM-generated content as 'art'. Art is about the story. People will go and see a punk band who only know three chords if they play songs about things that resonate with them. Bit of a tangent, but this is the same reason that I genuinely believe that if you could bio-engineer a steak that tastes exactly like one from a well-looked-after cow from a notable breed and a good farm, most people would still prefer the cow. The story matters - the fact that a person put effort and experience into something really is important.

"This solo is sick" is a fun plus-point, but it doesn't matter if the song doesn't mean anything to you. If proficiency was the only thing that mattered then we'd all be listening to the worst kind of prog.

Re: Eleven Music

#152

Well, here's a few points of comparison: Suno's version of Mandate of Heaven [0]. This is my baseline, it was generated with their v4 model and so far it has remained my favorite AI generated song. I regularly listen to this one track and it brings me joy. There's many places where I think it could be drastically improved, but none of the competitors have managed to surpass it nor have they provided tools to improve…

Mandate of Heaven does pretty much sound like a mid power metal track. The mixing is perfect but the production is "off" which is kinda weird, also the vocal delivery is flat and empty which is probably the biggest AI tell. The lyrics are cheesy but that's power metal for you.

Overall still quite impressive progress, though I'd prefer it if AI could remix existing artists songs that I already liked instead of being focused on tepid original content.

Re: Eleven Music

#153
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not anti-AI, but I strongly believe the human element of music can be imitated but not fully replicated. Listening back to that song I can hear the attempt to stylistically play slightly off-beat to get the feel of a band playing without a metronome. The auditory illusion is there, but it still sounds off. Playing behind the beat is a feeling; it's not a calculation. As a drummer keeps time, the band reacts by lo…

Anthony Marinelli (guy behind MJ's Thriller synth jams) and Tim Pierce (accomplished session guitarist) riff on this https://youtu.be/OzuADujnEhQ?t=1205 recently. This whole video is a treat, as are most of Marinelli's. When I see AI salesmen thinking they can attack into art, I think they naively see it as inherently imprecise or arbitrary, and they think because their technology has these properties it will easily…

These things won't replace rock stars, they will (or at least want to) replace the vast majority of the industry which is tv shows, movies, ads, etc, which the disclaimer as the end alludes to.

It's a terrible thing.

Re: Eleven Music

#154

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

Then most music is not art, because I struggle to find non-generic music, at least for the genres I like. In 2020s, 4/5 artists are bent on trying to create a blend of aesthetics of the past, instead of even attempting doing something that sounds fresh and authentic. And very few of these who do succeed. This has been going on for a while.

Re: Eleven Music

#155
post #41

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

The fact that these models have so many people irritated like there's sand in their pants is enough proof that they're pushing boundaries and making some uncomfortable.

Epstein, the ultimate pusher of boundaries.

Re: Eleven Music

#156

Having a machine-learning algorithm crank out generic music seems like peak dystopia to me

Just wait until the rush of commenters that insist you’re wrong about being offended that they want to automate and commodify every aspect of your life.

Re: Eleven Music

#157
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthony Marinelli (guy behind MJ's Thriller synth jams) and Tim Pierce (accomplished session guitarist) riff on this https://youtu.be/OzuADujnEhQ?t=1205 recently. This whole video is a treat, as are most of Marinelli's. When I see AI salesmen thinking they can attack into art, I think they naively see it as inherently imprecise or arbitrary, and they think because their technology has these properties it will easily…

These things won't replace rock stars, they will (or at least want to) replace the vast majority of the industry which is tv shows, movies, ads, etc, which the disclaimer as the end alludes to. It's a terrible thing.

Once upon a time random corporate videos would have full custom orchestral scores https://youtu.be/q7hFJZf9fWk?t=162

The thing I notice time and again in all this is they want you to believe technology is displacing labor at one end but there's usually a lot of retraining consumers/society to accept something qualitatively different to cover up or re-conceive what was. That's not a moral judgement, just an observation. But the end result is usually the same, some group of current or wannabe oligarchs playing musical chairs at the top without regard for the rest of the system.

Re: Eleven Music

#158
post #156

Having a machine-learning algorithm crank out generic music seems like peak dystopia to me

Just wait until the rush of commenters that insist you’re wrong about being offended that they want to automate and commodify every aspect of your life.

Made this point elsewhere, but the music industry has been on a downward slide towards making music as cheaply as possible for some time now.

If you look at Taylor Swift's first 12 number one hits, each of them was written by a different writer. Compare that to bands from 30 years ago, many of whom wrote and recorded all the songs themselves.

Labels don't sign rock bands anymore because actually recording a rock band well in a studio is 10x the cost of just using a sampler and a single artist singing. I know folks want to blame AI, but it's really just enabling the latest iteration of this trend.

I'm not defending the whole thing. It's a shame, and I love going back and listening to my old Rush albums. But AI is not the problem here. It's the incentives.

Re: Eleven Music

#160

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

I know right? AI is in the uncanny valley still. But every now and then I stumble upon something made with AI.

I have no proof but I'm convinced that the song here is AI made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL1Fg1QnDig

I liked it but it still feels like AI to me.

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