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Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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>Bewildering to see the outrage over this. Get real, cleaning up the smut is not an attack on free speech or democracy. Sure, religious fascists enjoy this now, next they will remove GTA and shooter games, metal music and Hip HOp and when some Rust fanboy extremist will complain C++ and PHP content will be removed for safety reasons. We need to complain so religious fascist content is removed too

> Rust fanboy extremist will complain C++ and PHP content will be removed for safety reasons.

it'd probably be net improvement vs the current status quo.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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There's no meaningful attention, here. Until it is on the US Gov't radar, this 'attention' is just a collection of upset redditors furiously posting forum messages which will fissile out in a few months, at most. Besides, it's not like you can boycott Mastercard or VISA.

Honestly I hope this comes under the EU's radar.

EU is already working on an alternative: Wero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment)

Honestly, I'm really critical towards EU, but this is one of the few things that EU does well. When the market is stagnating, it's better than nothing to propose an alternative or some kind of benefits in order to change the market a bit. Like the Roaming in EU.

Regarding the rest, the EU is mining competition with the obsession of regulating everything.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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The US has some clear laws against government controlling speech and, in the abstract, that makes it pretty much impossible to censor games. Various factions - exactly who it is difficult to pin down - have been working hard to set up a system where they can shut things down without ever explicitly instructing anyone to do anything. This appears to be the system engaging by accident because some crazy from Australia…

I am quite surprised how wrong opinions like yours are. There is no argument of free speech here, they are a private business and as such can decide what they allow and don’t allow on their network. It’s no different than if cloudflare had a click through that said no adult material. You can hand wave around well they are a monopoly or some related argument but the government does not see it that way. Visa and Master…

"There is no argument of free speech here, they are a private business"

Constitutional rights are also civil rights - businesses may not violate them nilly-willy in this specific manner which causes damages to people.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Debit cards still go through MasterCard and/or Visa. They could take crypto, but crypto is far too volatile for the types of transactions Valve wants to be handling.

Volatility isn't an issue for the merchant - prices can be adjusted in real-time based on the cryptocurrency's value at the time of purchase, and if they don't want to be exposed, they can sell it immediately on purchase. Whether or not Valve would want to encourage people to pay with crypto and expose their customer base to its volatility is another matter.

In a world where people need both fiat and crypto, the volatility of crypto precludes returns.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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In this story, Itch and Valve are 10x more trustworthy than the card processors.

The fact that Visa and MasterCard are the primary payment options for OnlyFans, makes this story a mess. Some time ago Visa and MasterCard very vocally banned Pornhub (at least) from using their cards, 100% sure this comes from them.

> Visa and MasterCard very vocally banned Pornhub

Not exactly. Visa was named as a counterparty in a class action against Mindgeek for monetizing child porn on their website. They lost, and there have been subsequent class actions.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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There's no meaningful attention, here. Until it is on the US Gov't radar, this 'attention' is just a collection of upset redditors furiously posting forum messages which will fissile out in a few months, at most. Besides, it's not like you can boycott Mastercard or VISA.

> Besides, it's not like you can boycott Mastercard or VISA Most countries have some kinds of domestic transaction systems, or at least a more local credit card brand. They're also usually instant. It's more or less an US-only situation that people use Visa/Mastercard even for intranational stuff.

That is absolutely false. In pretty much any western country, you're forced to use the VISA network, even for debit cards. Take a closer look at your locally branded card, and you'll almost certainly see a VISA log tucked away somewhere.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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I kind of wonder if there had been misinterpretations as to the results of previous campaigns against Japan.

English in Japan is more of a customer support tool than a language. Proficiency is improving in some places, but on decline at large, below already atrocious status quo. This means the size of English-speaking audiences for actually Japan-centric news is small and not the first priority, not small && more important. Extremely little of whatever happening in Japan appear on mainstream English social media, let alone regular mainstream media.

If that much was not obvious to whoever pulling strings on this ongoing thing, I think there may be a chance that lack of observable responses after their earlier actions led to a misplaced confidence that gaming is a tiny top-down market and consumer resistance is nonexistent.

The responses were significant enough that it elected an equivalent of senate for third term and got former PM Kishida make a hand-wavy assurance on video even just few days before this one. It was almost certainly just a lip service, but also not nothing. How would anyone interpret that as a situation safe to escalate further?

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Because next they'll disallow for MAGA or woke content, whichever you care about. And then whatever the next loudest pressure group doesn't like.

Barely even "next" - itch might have gone overboard out of caution, but they hit random non sexual queer stuff already, and it's not hard to see how "don't do anything that hurts our brand" coming down from MC/Visa would lead to that basically immediately. Lots of stuff could hurt a corporate brand. Maybe your product has some bad press so now it's removed from storefronts, etc.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Honestly I hope this comes under the EU's radar.

EU is already working on an alternative: Wero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment) Honestly, I'm really critical towards EU, but this is one of the few things that EU does well. When the market is stagnating, it's better than nothing to propose an alternative or some kind of benefits in order to change the market a bit. Like the Roaming in EU. Regarding the rest, the EU is mining competition with the obsessio…

I don't even think this is a problem of competition (although more is welcome).

This is just Visa+Mastercard abusing their market position and the EU should come down on them like a ton of bricks. Incur heavy fines or break them up if necessary.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Oh the EU will happily pass new laws to screen your entire life when you'd like to buy a game (and to record and store everything you talk about with fellow gamers in case you say something that goes against EU policies). EU will even arrange a special new bank account for ya outside of Visa Mastercard called CBDC. No problem. EU is here for ya! /s

1984 took place in the EU. I mean, if Brexit hadn't happened and the EU existed in 1984, of course.

You can just say it happened in Europe.
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