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Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Not as painful as getting run over, apparently.

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Looking both ways is undone if drivers are speeding, not bothering to stop at stop signs and being generally unpredictable and dangerous.

Blaming pedestrians for getting run over by speeders that are too impatient to drive at safe speeds in residential areas is a ludicrous opinion to take.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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> 50 km/h to 30 km/h on a city commute doesn't make a substantial difference. This seems like a weird argument. If your commute is an hour at 50 km/h then it's an hour and 40 minutes at 30 km/h, every day, each way. That seems like... quite a lot?

Which city is an hour long drive at 50km/h? It’s city centre driving that the article talks about.

You can drive through London for an hour in mostly 20mph (~30km/h) zones. Thing is, you're unlikely to be averaging anything even like 20. Even when the limit used to be 30 you weren't either. My old car averaged 16mph, & that included trips out of town at motorway speeds.

When the 20 limits were first introduced, lots of people would speed & overtake, but then you'd catch them up at the next traffic light & the one after etc.

I know London's quite an extreme case, but all a 20 limit means in a lot of stop/start urban areas is that you travel to the next stop at a speed which is less hazardous should you hit something/someone, with far more time to react to all the unpredictable things which happen in busy urban areas, thus decreasing the chances of hitting anything in the first place.

Yeah, it's mildly boring, but driving in cities pretty much always is. Just put on some music or a podcast and take it easy.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Maybe Helsinki isn’t special: just fewer cars. And they apparently only 21% of daily trips used a private car. Helsinki has about 3x fewer vehicles per capita than the average U.S. city. So it’s not surprising it’s safer since fewer cars mean fewer chances of getting hit by one. Plus their cars are much smaller. In fact, there are probably plenty of U.S. towns and cities with similar number of cars that have zero tra…

The question to ask is, why are there less cars? Public transport. As an example, just the tram network had 57 million trips in 2019. The metro, 90+ million trips annually. The commuter rail network? 70+ million. (Source: wikipedia) So yes. Urban planning has a hand or two in it.

How people in Helsinki get to work: Car: 23% ; PublicTransport: 47% ; Walk: 12% ; Bike: 15%

How pupils in Helsinki get to school: Car: 7% ; PublicTransport: 32% ; Walk: 45% ; Bike: 14%

source: https://www.hel.fi/static/liitteet/kaupunkiymparisto/julkais...

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Proper design of road networks also makes traffic flow better. Many congested areas would actually benefit from removing some roads altogether.

I believe you're referring to Braess' Paradox, right? This was a very surprising effect for me to learn about, just recently Veritasium covered it in their video on a mechanism that becomes "shorter when you pull on it": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QTkPfq7w1A [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess%27_paradox

Yes, I saw the same video! Having played Cities: Skylines, it was not that much of a surprise, more of a neat formal explanation.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Making drivers miserable is part of the intention, they want people to drive less because it's annoying as hell for everyone else.

And those with that intention are authoritarians that need to be kept out of government.

But Finland is a democracy. People clearly voted for it.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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How does snap elections solve this problem? You'd have less information if it happened in the next week, especially about less well known candidates. You are suggesting that elections coming in a few months leads to tricking people?

It creates conditions for more direct accountability. There's a pretty standard pattern of getting elected, doing the more extreme things, and then giving the voters time to cool off before the election happens.

It also prevents the election losers from lighting everything on fire on the way out.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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If we were a real country, we would actively hunt down people who express this sentiment and seize their vehicles until after they satisfy a psychological exam.

And then if they fail the exam, appoint to the public office.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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At the same time NYC and Toronto, we are removing protected bike lanes. In North America the acceptable amount of lives per year to sacrifice for a little convenience for drivers is above zero, and apparently rising.

Helsinki didn't achieve this with bike lanes.
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