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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
The post I replied to was referencing genocide in Gaza. [Its been flagged, I can't post the text] If a terrorist group raped and murdered your wife and took your children is there a line in the sand that you would not want your government to cross to get them back? Would you be willing for your government to kill 2 innocents to get back your 3 kids? What about 10 innocents? What about 100? 1000? Is there a number whe…
Do you feel that way about the last time Israel broke ceasefire in operation Cast Lead, which resulted in similar civilian vs combatant deaths? Maybe no amount of punishment is enough for the evil on the other side? It's not a helpful frame to think in tbh, because now you get to look at the considerably more evil thing done by Israel and justify - what - a chemical weapons attack or something against its citizens? L…
Agree, and the only way to stop the killing is for Hamas to return the hostages. There is literally no other way for it to happen, no matter what anyone says, that is the only way. Everything else is rhetoric and not grounded in reality.
I'm under no illusion that Israel has clean hands here.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
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Not much different than 19th century America slavery and Trail of Tears or 16th century Spanish conquistadors. It's ethno-nationalist supremacy by a powerful group believing they are superior to others who are seen as "animals".
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#154In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.
Do you want to be a part of those troops sent to control Hamas?
Truth is no one wants to fight overseas anymore.
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#155Cold blooded murder on video and it is still not enough for our countries to take action.
Not only our countries but the state of Israel itself, it's ongoing for decades, it has only further eroded Israel's security (who could've guessed that allowing your citizens to displace, and/or kill, people who already lived there would have consequences?). The documentary "Checkpoint" is more than 20 years old by now, the treatment of West Bank's Palestinians has been fucked up for even longer than that, and Netan…
Since I'm past the window to edit my comment, here's another example of the abhorrent behaviour from Israeli forces[0] which has been all too common for decades, not very different from Amon Göth, and just check the article's date (2018).
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-...
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
Keep in mind this was written by man. People are being murdered thousands of years later because of the ancient Judea equivalent of 'Harry Potter', and the batshit insane people who still believe it in earnest.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
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There is no "Biblical narrative." The Bible consists of numerous books written over a vast span of time, evolving cultural and religious contexts, and reflect the often conflicting points of view of their authors, and whatever agenda under which the whole was being edited at the time. There isn't even a single canonical "Christian" Bible - Catholics have one version, Orthodox have another, Protestants have another.
What you're describing is a Christian reinterpretation of the Old Testament employed to justify the argument that Jesus was the Jewish messiah, which is a Biblical narrative, but only one of many, and not one that Jews particularly care about, or that Muslims entirely agree with for that matter.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!
we're precedenting it in the united states. our government is deeply ideologically aligned with the people committing the vast majority of domestic terrorism in this country.
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#159Last night I went to bed late and my wife had trouble sleeping. She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a…
> We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a simple math task, a simple language task and one more simple task, placing Poland in the second last position from all the countries taking place. (For comparison, in Norway and Holland only 9%). And how it was likely a consequence of genetic holocaust performed on Poles by both German and Russian nazis during the 2WW. That systematic destruction of elites can behead a country for years to come.
Objecting to the Holocaust because it eugenicized the wrong way is a thing I guess.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
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I'm not sure the answer to "centuries-old existential war between a bunch of Jews and a bunch of Muslims" is throwing Christianity into the mix.