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Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by knowitnone2 »

pjmlp wrote: post #147
vimredo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Linux to gain 5% marketshare, I really doubt it "barely works" on a "limited set of hardware that it was designed for". It can run headless on basically anything better than a Pentium, and it mostly just works on average hardware (except fingerprint sensors and Nvidia). I've had no problem with Linux on all my hardware, and I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013.

Besides working with it on servers on regular basis, and having had enough with it on desktops and laptops since 1995, last year I managed to get a NUC, where Ubuntu, Red-Hat and SuSE weren't able to boot from the internal SSD or get along with UEFI, only booting from the external drive worked. So yeah no problem, and yes I know should have gone to the usual forums asking everyone and their dog if someone before me h…

then don't use it. Linux needs less people like you

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by pjmlp »

knowitnone2 wrote: post #151
pjmlp wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides working with it on servers on regular basis, and having had enough with it on desktops and laptops since 1995, last year I managed to get a NUC, where Ubuntu, Red-Hat and SuSE weren't able to boot from the internal SSD or get along with UEFI, only booting from the external drive worked. So yeah no problem, and yes I know should have gone to the usual forums asking everyone and their dog if someone before me h…

then don't use it. Linux needs less people like you

And I don't, Android/Linux, WebOS/Linux and VMs are good enough.

If others have fun making it work, good for them, I have better ways to spend the rest of my life on this litte sphere.

As what Linux needs, I thought it needs every little user, to make a difference against Apple and Microsoft, after all we are always told that now is the year everyone is going to flee into Linux.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by LtWorf »

bsimpson wrote: post #119
LtWorf wrote: post #114

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You must use the plasma-mobile stuff, not the plasma desktop.

Mobile wasn't packaged for NixOS. I am curious why/if Valve hasn't used it for SteamOS's desktop mode though.

Package it yourself then!

I don't really know, but I don't think the use outside of steam is an important use case to them, possibly they don't want to make things too easy, or maybe it wasn't packaged for arch either when they created the base image.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by szszrk »

MisterTea wrote: post #59
szszrk wrote: post #16

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I'm not sure why you neatpick that. I feel the complete opposite. HDMI screens are everywhere. Usb-c ones less but still present. I have a screen at work, with keyboard and USB hub. Same at home. And at most of my friend's homes. I have a screen (tv) in a hotel and flats to rent. I even had one in a cabin recently (use them with tv stick for my kid's shows). I also have an external USB/HDMI screen that is lighter tha…

> I also have an external USB/HDMI screen that is lighter than a laptop How much lighter is it than say a Surface Go that can run Windows or Linux? If they are about the same then it doesn't make sense to fiddle with Linux on a phone. Comes with a keyboard too.

I see that this thread became a "throw random edge cases and diverge the discussion".

How does Surface Go states against other commenters comment that suddenly brought poverty into the mix? :) how does Surface Go address poor people, because it's not cheap where I live.

It's a discussion that doesn't make sense.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by meta_ai_x »

const_cast wrote: post #130
happyopossum wrote: post #68

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You and several thousand other people see it that way, meanwhile the billions of other computer users out here don’t.

Popularity =/= quality. That being said, obviously the Librem phone is missing functionality. Most computer users are goo goo ga ga level users. Most people in the US use iMessage, for example. It's not the best messenger, not even close. It's not the most ubiquitous either - doesn't even break top 5 globally. Doesn't have the most features. Not the fastest. Not the most secure. Not the easiest to use. They just use…

For Operating Systems and Ecosystems, Popularity == Quality. The more popular a software is, the more edge cases it encounters and solves issues. More people will write software, plugins, tools for it.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by anthk »

pjmlp wrote: post #147
vimredo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Linux to gain 5% marketshare, I really doubt it "barely works" on a "limited set of hardware that it was designed for". It can run headless on basically anything better than a Pentium, and it mostly just works on average hardware (except fingerprint sensors and Nvidia). I've had no problem with Linux on all my hardware, and I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013.

Besides working with it on servers on regular basis, and having had enough with it on desktops and laptops since 1995, last year I managed to get a NUC, where Ubuntu, Red-Hat and SuSE weren't able to boot from the internal SSD or get along with UEFI, only booting from the external drive worked. So yeah no problem, and yes I know should have gone to the usual forums asking everyone and their dog if someone before me h…

I have different opinions. Try my NUC. Reinstall Windows 10 on it; you won't get audio support unless you get especial audio drivers from a shady download URL (usually used from pirating services) linked from the OEM vendors. Windows Update won't help. Neither SDI Tool Origin.

GNU/Linux works, HDMI output et all.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by hdjsbsbzbsbsb »

vimredo wrote: post #115
bboygravity wrote: post #88

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Linux barely works on a limited set of hardware that it was designed for. Indeed I don't think it's reasonable to then also make it work on some completely different phone hardware that has a operational life of like 2 years + full of closed source hardware and drivers. If you want users, the thing has to be usable. For the thing to be usable it needs software with perfect hardware support. Google, Android vendors an…

For Linux to gain 5% marketshare, I really doubt it "barely works" on a "limited set of hardware that it was designed for". It can run headless on basically anything better than a Pentium, and it mostly just works on average hardware (except fingerprint sensors and Nvidia). I've had no problem with Linux on all my hardware, and I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013.

Running as a user where things need to work is not the same as being headless wherrle all you need is CLI access, disk and network ...

My lenovo p14s is a great linux laptop unless you want it to sleep (which it does!) It even wakes up! But 50% of the time the trackpad does not wake up properly ... Making hard to be used as a laptop that I can get things done on

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by ruszki »

vimredo wrote: post #115
bboygravity wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux barely works on a limited set of hardware that it was designed for. Indeed I don't think it's reasonable to then also make it work on some completely different phone hardware that has a operational life of like 2 years + full of closed source hardware and drivers. If you want users, the thing has to be usable. For the thing to be usable it needs software with perfect hardware support. Google, Android vendors an…

For Linux to gain 5% marketshare, I really doubt it "barely works" on a "limited set of hardware that it was designed for". It can run headless on basically anything better than a Pentium, and it mostly just works on average hardware (except fingerprint sensors and Nvidia). I've had no problem with Linux on all my hardware, and I have a feeling the last time you looked at it was 2013.

Linux didn’t work reliably on my laptops in the past 10 years. And I mean basic things, like booting up, or showing a desktop without serious glitches. And all the time problems were non deterministic, and printing just generic unhelpful “something is wrong” errors, if there were any. I try it every year, whether the situation is better, and in the past 25 years, the answer is that barely. Yes, you can have terminal with very basic settings almost every time, but if you want anything more, even just like proper resolution, then it’s still a lottery. The interesting thing is that before that I was luckier, I could hack Linux to many things (I would definitely not say “install”).

And of course like in the past decades any time, you can always use Linux in VMs. Very reliably. So I stick to that.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Post by OldfieldFund »

pydry wrote: post #38
bsimpson wrote: post #23

It's interesting that in the early 2010s, both halves of the ecosystem were talking about "convergence:" Ubuntu wanted to make its Linux render a single column on a handset and with floating windows on a larger screen. Motorola had a similar project based on Android. A dozen years later, nobody has done that well. Ubuntu gave up. Mobile-targeted Linux distributions aren't good (missing functionality, mobile UX, or bo…

It sounds like a nice idea in theory but I dont think demand is that high.

Apple has this out of the box with MacBooks + iPhones. But in their case, it's easy to implement.
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