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The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by genericacct »

betaby wrote: post #53
thmsths wrote: post #36

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That does not explain everything. While you could make a reasonable case that doctors are overpaid in the US, the same budgetary crisis is happening all over Europe where salaries are much lower.

The crisis in France is clearly not on the same level that is in Quebec. It's not the only factor, but a serious one. As a continuation of it we have a heavily caped number of doctors what can be 'minted' every year. Same caps exist in the USA states.

This also happens in Italy, there's a maximum number of people who can get into med school. However, even though some complain of being overworked, some others complain that increasing that maximum number will lead to unemployment. So apparently medical professionals can either be overworked or unemployed, there is no in between..

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Post by ajmurmann »

28304283409234 wrote: post #122
ajmurmann wrote: post #7

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This will continue to happen as long as automation in health care is slower than in other sectors. It's due to Baumol's Cost Disease: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect The same is true for other sectors that struggle with automation like education.

Which part of a nurses shifts would you automate?

I don't know, I'm merely stating what comes down to an economic law. I'm not an expert on healthcare.

However, as it happens I just spent the last weekend accompanying my wife as she was in a hospital. There was actually quite a bit that happened, especially once or l out of the ER and admitted, that I would have felt totally fine if a robot had done it. Half of what the nurses did were things like bringing puke bags, picking up a full puke bags, bringing water, paging the doctor again who wouldn't show up for another 4 hours, explaining how to order food.

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Post by trhway »

nradov wrote: post #119
trhway wrote: post #115

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the society reneging on its contract today means that the current taxpayers will lose the trust in the society and in particular will be significantly discouraged from paying taxes, etc. as they would lose belief in the society keeping its side of the bargain in the future.

It doesn't matter whether taxpayers are discouraged. Medicare taxes are automatically deducted by employers for most workers.

taxpayers are voters. So it does matter a lot if they are discouraged.

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Post by n8henrie »

trhway wrote: post #84
n8henrie wrote: post #83

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In my experience it is rarely the patient making this choice. Much more often the children, who are often making a big show of how much more they love mom or dad compared to the other sibs.

And the patient made that choice by establishing that family dynamics and by not having specific instructions even while seeing over decades the family dynamics they created themselves. I'd say that is an explicit clear choice. And anyway it isn't outsider's business to tell a family how to care for their own.

Very naive take.

Patients' children regularly override the patient's clearly expressed wishes once the patient no longer has decisional capacity.

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Post by esbranson »

MrFots wrote: post #55
kubelsmieci wrote: post #8

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Solution: preventive health care, promoting a healthy lifestyle from an early age, and healthy eating

good luck -- https://www.npr.org/2025/07/27/nx-s1-5481828/rfk-jr-uspstf-a...

If USPSTF has refused, either intentionally refused or through incompetence, to make a recommendation in its 40 year history that would have an outsize effect on preventive healthcare, then not only good riddance, but kick every single one its members out of academia and pull their licenses. I'm half surprised that National Propaganda didn't lament that the tens of thousands of millions AHRQ has given to academia wasn't enough for improved health outcomes.

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Post by esbranson »

nradov wrote: post #94
an0malous wrote: post #76

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Same for doctors, we constrain the number of new doctors trained every year to keep their salaries high. Just like constraining the housing supply to keep housing prices high, greed has corrupted these systems from getting better and now we’re just asking people to die instead.

Which country are you talking about, and who is "we"? In the USA, Congress constrains the number of new doctors trained every year not to keep salaries high but rather to limit Medicare expenses. If Medicare beneficiaries can't get an appointment due to a doctor shortage then no claim will be submitted to CMS. Most of the funding for residency programs comes from Medicare, and every year there are medical students wh…

The US is a federal system, and the states run healthcare and academia. If Congress can tax a state X amount of dollars, that state is obviously able to do so also.

New York accounts for nearly half of all state Medicaid GME funding nationally, with NY state Medicaid GME alone reaching ~$1.8 billion of the $4.4 billion total GME spending in NY in 2012 (federal + state + private).[1]

And is New York better off? Do these claims about GME hold up there? Don't blame AMA or Congress, blame your dominant state political party. Congress should probably require matching for GME which would completely cut off funding for most states. We can already read the headlines.

If you actually knew about this before I mentioned it please let me know, but I think you likely didn't, even though you've obviously spent time researching this important topic. I am actually more irritated how little "people in the know" actually know. It's why I despise outlets like NPR who spread propaganda (agitprop mostly) and refuse to report relevant info and the damage it has caused to America's intelligentsia. Defund NPR and friends, they are the root cause of this mess.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK248024/

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Post by immibis »

thmsths wrote: post #3
huijzer wrote: post #2

Yes can confirm this is real. I know both German and Dutch nurses who say that the workload is incredibly high. One older nurse also said the pressure today is much higher than years ago.

I am not surprised. Healthcare costs have been rising faster than inflation for several years. It's a difficult sell to increase budgets, so we have to resort to these "invisible" cost cutting measures to try and stay afloat.

Most prices increase faster than inflation, interestingly enough.

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Post by jacquesm »

zackmorris wrote: post #68

"Nurses should be at the very top of our social hierarchy but we live in a world where it’s just the opposite," she says. "This film is a love letter to the profession." I moved furniture for 3 years in the early 2000s to support my shareware business. Something like 500 moves, sometimes 9+ hours per day, occasionally 6 days per week. It made me who I am today, but also broke me in countless ways. I witnessed single…

I found this a while ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/1jofu7d/ac...

It's a great illustration of how people are valued. As for those wealthy people not even giving you water: they were making a whole pile of assumptions there because (1) in their world nobody ever would appreciate being given water, they've had their own supply since the day they were born and it never runs out and (2) they weren't tipping you because they didn't have to and that's how they got to be wealthy in the first place: by taking advantage where ever they could.

small aside: /. had this 'friend' feature and I really liked it (I would have liked a blocking filter for drivel even better), you are one of my favorite commenters on HN and have been for a long time, you spend enormous time arguing your points and I find myself appreciating the arguments and sometimes being swayed by them so thank you for all that hard work.

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