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Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/queen-dies-protesters-arrest... > A man who was arrested by police in England for asking who elected King Charles III says he’s worried that his arrest could have a “chilling effect” on freedom of expression in the country.

That's my point. King Charles isn't the government. Nobody thinks he is either. Keir Starmer is "the government" if you want someone. And he's at 27% popularity.

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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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"Open your mouth to verify your age" Not that different from "Drink a verification can to continue". Hilariously dystopian.

The best part is that this is going to work for about 5 days until someone develops a computer model of a face that can simulate the inside of the mouth. Then we have two problems!

Oh, very soon only computers will be able to generate "realistic" enough images. Just like solving captchas.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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As a Brit that relocated to Norway a decade ago, trust me when I say you cannot fathom the lack of organization around identity that the UK (somewhat intentionally) has. (It’s constantly used for political Godwin’s-law fear-mongering) There is no centralized ID number, the closest is your social security number but this is basically only outbound for PAYE tax and haphazardly correlated to your pension payments in lat…

>>There is no centralized ID number, the closest is your social security number Until you find out that due to a cock up years ago the National Insurance numbers are not guaranteed to be unique, and you realize that somehow the best proof of identity British people have is a humble driving licence because DVLA is at least somewhat competent.

Unfortunately I don't have a driving license as I am physically unable to get one by law.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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You just described DRM

DRM mostly explicitly does /not/ function that way. If you jailbreak an iPhone you can still use store apps and watch movies. You don't think that's just because Apple forgot about it, right? Or because the movie studios are merciful? They definitely aren't. It's because they think it'd be illegal to lock you out over it.

You are mistaken. DRM can work in a variety of ways but that is absolutely one of them.

Apple doesn't attestation as part of their DRM (afaik) because it wouldn't be very useful. An iOS jailbreak requires the kind of exploits that would break attestation anyway, so it adds little value.

Movie studios could require strong hardware attestation for playback, but in doing so they would limit the set of compatible devices. They are in fact a little merciful (if only because they care about their bottom line).

> It's because they think it'd be illegal to lock you out over it.

I wish.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Denmark does it by sending you to a government-owned website, which then uses two factor authentication and responds back verifying one’s identity. I don’t understand why other countries can’t do the same.

The US in particular doesn't have a national identity system in the first place because the Republican party has opposed the concept for a long timr for various reasons both ideological ("mark of the beast" claims are less of a thing these days but have been made in the past) and political (having a patchwork of systems makes voter suppression and stochastic disenfranchisement of undesireables easier). Without that,…

Would Passports not be considered a "national identity system"?

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

That's exactly what pisses me off about it. The government could have at least devised a technical solution to verify the age of people privately. Data breaches happen all the time, do they just not care about the consequences when millions of peoples' porn watching habits are inevitably leaked?

It's to reduce kids exposure to porn and the like. Does it really matter if it can be hacked?

In the old days the put the porno mags on the top shelf so kids couldn't read them. That was hackable too but it didn't matter much.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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That's exactly what pisses me off about it. The government could have at least devised a technical solution to verify the age of people privately. Data breaches happen all the time, do they just not care about the consequences when millions of peoples' porn watching habits are inevitably leaked?

It's to reduce kids exposure to porn and the like. Does it really matter if it can be hacked? In the old days the put the porno mags on the top shelf so kids couldn't read them. That was hackable too but it didn't matter much.

Personally I'd rather my kid discover porn sites with cleartext(S) browsing, so I can be aware of the development and have a talk. Then later I can teach them how to use VPNs, TOR, and other secure protocols to eek out some freedom from this digital prison that Surveillance Valley has built for us.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/queen-dies-protesters-arrest... > A man who was arrested by police in England for asking who elected King Charles III says he’s worried that his arrest could have a “chilling effect” on freedom of expression in the country.

That's my point. King Charles isn't the government. Nobody thinks he is either. Keir Starmer is "the government" if you want someone. And he's at 27% popularity.

"The king of a country is not connected to that country's government" is a kind of hair-splitting I really, truly cannot abide.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

The solution is easy. A government national ID. The US refuses to do this, so we get a mess. Every state has different drivers license, Social Security numbers aren’t secure at this point, most people don’t have passports. But if there was a true national ID, the government could provide APIs to verify those. Then these kind of things would be easy for the apps/sites. All of that obviously ignores the problems in pri…

We already nearly have a national ID. That’s what RealID is clearly building towards. It helps to build a standardized and federated database of state ID cards that meet Federal guidelines. There’s an de-duplication system called SPEXS as well as a standard called Nlets that can be used to search the state databases. There’s a multi-state query (MSQ) that allows law enforcement to query all of the state databases and obtain a lot of the functionality that we get from a national ID. What’s missing from this is citizenship data, but ICE has a system called IAQ/IAR that can help with that. The recent “BBB” bill also tosses a lot of IT funding at DHS and ICE, which might lead to further expansions.

There’s also a system called mDL that allows you to obtain a digitally signed mobile driver’s license that can be used in your smartphone. This is only supported by a few states for now but it’s not hard to imagine this expanding to many more states in the near future, especially now that both Apple and Google are starting to support it. TL;DR we may not have a national ID, but it sure seems like pretty soon we’ll have an effective “national ID” that does most of the same stuff.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Age verification should be made on OS or firmware level when buying a device. And not by sending your passport scan to random companies with dubious data collection practices. A law must mandate that an "adult" version of OS (or device) may be sold only to adult users. It is not difficult for Microsoft/Apple to implement this yet they do not want to for some reason. This would allow more reliable age verification, wi…

I can tell how this would be implemented. Microsoft rolls their own awkward standard nobody asked for. Other major companies try to use a somewhat common standard. The Industrie enforces new rules and suddenly it costs $150000 and has awkward requirements to get your OS certified adult. For the years to come only the most recent windows versions and customer devices like phones will work. No Linux will pay to get a s…

I think they'll just send X-Is-Over18: Yes. Nobody actually cares about this issue enough to invest money in it - just enough to get certain stupid politicians off their backs. There will be third party browsers that always send the header, and they'll be banned from the app store upon discovery, and if they get famous enough their creators will be sent to jail, just like Tornado Cash.
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