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Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by x______________ »

lencastre wrote: post #131
ozgung wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The excuse "but you earn six figures, what' $200/month to you?" doesn't really capture the issue here. Just like every other subscription model, including the one in the Black Mirror episode, Common People. The value is too good to be true for the price at the beginning. But you become their prisoner in the long run, with increasing prices and degrading quality.

Can you expand on your argument?

Not op but a something from a few days ago that might be interesting for you:

  259. Anthropic tightens usage limits for Claude Code without telling users (techcrunch.com)
 395 points by mfiguiere 2 days ago | hide | 249 comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44598254

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by Philpax »

fumeux_fume wrote: post #94
physicles wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cursor is an IDE. You can use its powerful (but occasionally wrong) autocomplete, and start asking it to do small coding tasks using the Ctrl+L side window.

I don't want to leave my IDE

Worth noting that Cursor is a VS Code fork and you can copy all of your settings over to it. Not saying that you have to, of course, but that it's perhaps not as different as you might be imagining.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by tines »

cratermoon wrote: post #67
airstrike wrote: post #46

I think all conversations about coding with LLMs, vibe coding, etc. need to note the domain and choice of programming language. IMHO those two variables are 10x (maybe 100x) more explanatory than any vibe coding setup one can concoct. Anyone who is befuddled by how the other person {loves, hates} using LLMs to code should ask what kind of problem they are working on and then try to tackle the same problem with AI to…

They should also share their prompts and discuss exactly how much effort went into checking the output and re-prompting to get the desired result. The post hints at how much work it takes for the human, "If you are able to describe problems in a clear way and, if you are able to accept the back and forth needed in order to work with LLMs ... you need to provide extensive information to the LLM: papers, big parts of t…

I would assume the argument is that you only need to provide the braindump and extensive information one time (or at least, collect it once, if not upload once) and then you can take your bed of ease as the LLM uses that for many tasks.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by [deleted] »

cratermoon wrote: post #67
airstrike wrote: post #46

I think all conversations about coding with LLMs, vibe coding, etc. need to note the domain and choice of programming language. IMHO those two variables are 10x (maybe 100x) more explanatory than any vibe coding setup one can concoct. Anyone who is befuddled by how the other person {loves, hates} using LLMs to code should ask what kind of problem they are working on and then try to tackle the same problem with AI to…

They should also share their prompts and discuss exactly how much effort went into checking the output and re-prompting to get the desired result. The post hints at how much work it takes for the human, "If you are able to describe problems in a clear way and, if you are able to accept the back and forth needed in order to work with LLMs ... you need to provide extensive information to the LLM: papers, big parts of t…

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Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by UncleEntity »

cratermoon wrote: post #67
airstrike wrote: post #46

I think all conversations about coding with LLMs, vibe coding, etc. need to note the domain and choice of programming language. IMHO those two variables are 10x (maybe 100x) more explanatory than any vibe coding setup one can concoct. Anyone who is befuddled by how the other person {loves, hates} using LLMs to code should ask what kind of problem they are working on and then try to tackle the same problem with AI to…

They should also share their prompts and discuss exactly how much effort went into checking the output and re-prompting to get the desired result. The post hints at how much work it takes for the human, "If you are able to describe problems in a clear way and, if you are able to accept the back and forth needed in order to work with LLMs ... you need to provide extensive information to the LLM: papers, big parts of t…

> After all the effort getting to the point where the generated code is acceptable, one has to wonder, why not just write it yourself?

You know, I would often ask myself that very question...

Then I discovered the stupid robots are good at designing a project, you ask them to produce a design document, argue over it with them for a while, make revision and changes, explore new ideas, then, finally, ask them to produce the code. It's like being able to interact with the yaks you're trying to shave, what's not to love about that?

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by jstummbillig »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #146
jstummbillig wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Programming used to be (and still is, to a large extent) an activity that can be done with open and free tools. Since when? It starts with computers, the main tool and it's architecture not being free and goes from there. Major compilers used to not be free. Major IDEs used to not be free. For most things there were decent and (sometimes) superior free alternatives. The same is true for LLMs. > The excuse "but you…

> Major compilers used to not be free There's never been anything stopping you from building your own Soon there will be. The knowledge of how to do so will be locked behind LLMs, and other sources of knowledge will be rarer and harder to find as a result of everything switching to LLM use

For the past decades knowledge was "locked" behind search engines. Could you have rolled your own search engine indexing the web, to unlock that knowledge? Yes, in the same theoretical way that you can roll your own LLM.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by conradkay »

righthand wrote: post #63
dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

It’s weird that programmers will champion paying for Llm but not ad-free web search.

They have adblock

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by bluefirebrand »

jstummbillig wrote: post #156
bluefirebrand wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Major compilers used to not be free There's never been anything stopping you from building your own Soon there will be. The knowledge of how to do so will be locked behind LLMs, and other sources of knowledge will be rarer and harder to find as a result of everything switching to LLM use

For the past decades knowledge was "locked" behind search engines. Could you have rolled your own search engine indexing the web, to unlock that knowledge? Yes, in the same theoretical way that you can roll your own LLM.

There was never anything stopping you from finding other avenues than Search Engines to get people to find your website. You could find a url on a board at a cafe and still find a website without a search engine. More local sure, but knowledge had ways to spread in the real world when it needed to

How are LLMs equivalent? People posting their prompts on bulletin boards at cafes?

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by llbbdd »

webappguy wrote: post #134
dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

I personally can’t wait for programming to ‘die’. It has stolen a decade of my life minimum. Like veterinarians being trained to help pets ultimately finding out a huge portion of the job is killing them. I was not sufficiently informed that I’d spend a decade arguing languages, dealing with thousands of other developers with diverging opinions, legacy code, poorly if at all maintained libraries, tools, frameworks, e…

You got some arguably rude replies to this but you're right. I've been doing this a long time and the stuff you listed is never the fun part despite some insistence on HN that it somehow is. I love programming as a platonic ideal but those moments are fleeting between the crap you described and I can't wait for it to go.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by ta12653421 »

muglug wrote: post #34
dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

> Programming used to be (and still is, to a large extent) an activity that can be done with open and free tools. Yet JetBrains has been a business longer than some of my colleagues have been alive, and Microsoft’s Visual Basic/C++/Studio made writing software for Windows much easier, and did not come cheap.

Ah, there are community editions of the most imiportant tools (since 10+ years), and i doubt e.g. MS will close VS.NET Community Version in the future.
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