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Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by phatskat »

danbruc wrote: post #30
diggan wrote: post #4

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> where we are now (tabs on top, no wasted space) Tabs at the top is wasted space, I much prefer my tabs on the side instead, as most web content is taller than it is wide, and I have a widescreen monitor. I understand the choice of tabs on top when 640x480 was the most common resolution, but for desktop usage today? Tabs on top seems like an outdated layout choice.

There are browser - Vivaldi for example - that allow you to place the tab strip on any edge you want. To me personally it just looks and feels wrong, maybe just because of years of exposure to tabs on the top, but I can not get used to it, even though I have to admit that the tab labels are much nicer to read on the left if you have sufficiently many tabs open.

I’ve been daily driving Arc for a while now and I’m very sold on the tabs on the left. I think it’s the mix of smart folders, pinned pages, and knowing that stale tabs will be automatically closed so it doesn’t ever feel too cluttered. Also the quick show/hide with Cmd+s is perfect, especially since it’s been quite a while since I’ve wanted to Save a webpage.

Side note: it infuriates me that Microsoft’s web-Office will “helpfully” remind me that it auto saves when I do Cmd+s but also captures the event so that Arc can’t handle it. Which reminds me…I can probably whip up a quick Boost to get rid of that - yay rubber ducking in the comments!

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by t0bia_s »

dartharva wrote: post #56
t0bia_s wrote: post #13

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1. There is no better open-source alternative for Windows for mail/calendar/contacts client.

Honest question, what do you even need a native client for? What can you do on Thunderbird that you can't on a browser?

If you use multiple email accounts on different platforms (private providers), client is only way how to manage it effectively. Same for calendars and contacts. You probably wont use web browser for edit contact on phone as well.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by runxel »

1718627440 wrote: post #130
runxel wrote: post #129

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The current "conversation view" is misnomer. There really is nothing like that. Again, just think of Gmail and how it's handled there. This is how it would look like, e.g. you actually see your own response, too. Currently this is impossible because Thunderbird does not actually know what messages belong together. It just applies some ugly hacks to even find the ingoing emails. It's a trainwreck, but I believe it wil…

> just think of Gmail >> How would that look like? I wouldn't describe it as a hack, it uses the references in the messages themselves, as long as they are accurate it will work perfectly. This is the same way, Thunderbird knows if you have replied/forwarded messages. > you actually see your own response I do see the response, why wouldn't I that's what the feature is for. Not sure if there is a bug for you.

It's not my words. There is a 1.5 hour long video of a maintainer chat uploaded to their YouTube channel a while ago. There one dev explains it very carefully and in depth – "ugly hack" is their words, not mine! Seems a lot of work to untangle that mess. They are already a long time over their estimates of how long it would take.

Not sure what you mean by that you see your own response. In the current "conversation" (thread) view the chain will only display incoming answers, but never your own outgoing emails – which well... would make it a true conversation view.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by 1718627440 »

runxel wrote: post #153
1718627440 wrote: post #130

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> just think of Gmail >> How would that look like? I wouldn't describe it as a hack, it uses the references in the messages themselves, as long as they are accurate it will work perfectly. This is the same way, Thunderbird knows if you have replied/forwarded messages. > you actually see your own response I do see the response, why wouldn't I that's what the feature is for. Not sure if there is a bug for you.

It's not my words. There is a 1.5 hour long video of a maintainer chat uploaded to their YouTube channel a while ago. There one dev explains it very carefully and in depth – "ugly hack" is their words, not mine! Seems a lot of work to untangle that mess. They are already a long time over their estimates of how long it would take. Not sure what you mean by that you see your own response. In the current "conversation"…

Fair enough, the implementation can be messy, which I know nothing about, while input and output data can still be clean and well defined.

It absolutely displays outgoing mails, that's what I was saying. It hasn't ocurred to me that it potentially couldn't, then it would be kind of worthless. Not sure why you have this bug, but that isn't normal, maybe you can report it?

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by runxel »

1718627440 wrote: post #154
runxel wrote: post #153

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It's not my words. There is a 1.5 hour long video of a maintainer chat uploaded to their YouTube channel a while ago. There one dev explains it very carefully and in depth – "ugly hack" is their words, not mine! Seems a lot of work to untangle that mess. They are already a long time over their estimates of how long it would take. Not sure what you mean by that you see your own response. In the current "conversation"…

Fair enough, the implementation can be messy, which I know nothing about, while input and output data can still be clean and well defined. It absolutely displays outgoing mails, that's what I was saying. It hasn't ocurred to me that it potentially couldn't, then it would be kind of worthless. Not sure why you have this bug, but that isn't normal, maybe you can report it?

Mh, yeah. You are right. It's flaky tho for me... Sometimes it displays my own messages, sometimes not. I won't open a bug for that right now. I just keep my fingers crossed we get the better implementation.

What is still missing now (even if or when it works), is a continous display for me. Currently you have to go email by email, which can be a bit cumbersome to navigate, because then you'll never get the "full picture" for a quick glance, if you get my drift.

Re: Thunderbird: Fluent Windows 11 Design

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Post by 1718627440 »

runxel wrote: post #155
1718627440 wrote: post #154

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Fair enough, the implementation can be messy, which I know nothing about, while input and output data can still be clean and well defined. It absolutely displays outgoing mails, that's what I was saying. It hasn't ocurred to me that it potentially couldn't, then it would be kind of worthless. Not sure why you have this bug, but that isn't normal, maybe you can report it?

Mh, yeah. You are right. It's flaky tho for me... Sometimes it displays my own messages, sometimes not. I won't open a bug for that right now. I just keep my fingers crossed we get the better implementation. What is still missing now (even if or when it works), is a continous display for me. Currently you have to go email by email, which can be a bit cumbersome to navigate, because then you'll never get the "full pic…

> continous display

Yes that might be useful. I do generally have the whole history in every message since it is added automatically, when replying so you can reply inline. Maybe some client don't do that though.

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