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MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Awesome! You can also find great art made with Deluxe Paint for the Amiga. The limitations from early computers in resolution and, most importantly, palette, create unique art styles: https://amiga.lychesis.net/applications/DeluxePaint.html

Using colour cycling to achieve animation-like effects is so hot.

Can't mention that without linking the master of the effect

http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/ (hit "Show Options")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcJ1Jvtef0

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Switched on Bach is one of my favorite albums of all time.

Awesome, thanks. Had an inkling whatever Spotify came up with wasn’t right—thank you TIA for Wendy Carlos’s 1968 original!: https://archive.org/details/wendy-carlos-witched-on-bach (have to donate to Internet Archive again now…) anyway Wiki says this album essentially brought the Moog/synths from experimental to popular music. In a lovely fashion, my ears do say.

Update:

Wendy Carlos is still with us at 85 years of age, but apparently hasn’t been able to press CDs for two decades, and hasn’t licensed her music for streaming. Her site links to CDs on Amazon, w/o new copies available. She sounds dope, even being an “accomplished solar eclipse photographer” per Wiki.

If anyone knows her I’m curious if someone could help her preserve/distribute these beautiful sounds. (Maybe they’re all preserved but just not distributed, and maybe she’s chillin’ and doesn’t need another cent so it’d just be hassle—wanted to throw it all out there for y’all.)

…thanks OP for the great art btw, since I haven’t mentioned it yet. Stood the test of time!

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Then we should probably mention http://macpaint.org (From page HTML source) Does anyone even remember why Netscape 4 was bad?

Well, like the comment said, it crashed a lot when you tried to run JS on it. It was pretty annoying to binary-search for a bug in your JS when the symptom was a browser crash. Also, it used a lot more RAM than Netscape 3 and was slower, but I don't recall it being better in significant ways. DHTML in Netscape 4 was also completely incompatible with DHTML in IE 4. In IE you had the DOM, which is an inconvenient and i…

Indeed, browsers learned how to hurt people from their earliest days.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Maybe recency bias cause I’m playing it right now, but Breath of the Wild comes to mind

I don't know, I think some improved hardware would greatly improve the aesthetics of the Lost Woods, which severely drops in frame rate when docked. Handheld, the diminished fidelity at 720p buys back some frames. I'd be inclined to agree about some older Zelda games though, namely Wind Waker. I replayed it on GCN recently, and can attest that HD Wii U version really didn't add anything to the aesthetics.

The Switch 2 update seems to have resolved every performance complaint I had with TotK, if you're willing to pay the price of admission.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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> Does anyone even remember why Netscape 4 was bad? Netscape 4 is a broad set of releases over several years. It also wasn't necessarily "bad". It was just largely not mindblowingly better than Netscape 3 (for normal users) while using more CPU and RAM. I also imagine in this context it's incomplete CSS support is problematic. Netscape 3 will ignore properly commented out CSS (mostly) while 4 will try to interpret wh…

I'm jealous of your memory capabilities, and I certainly remember that at some point it was nearly impossible to make website looks in similar way in Netscape and IE. At the end, there was something like acceptable variation in page view for different browsers.

The rendering differences were at least as much IE’s fault as Netscapes. It took several versions before IE was (mostly) standards compliant.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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> Does anyone even remember why Netscape 4 was bad? Netscape 4 is a broad set of releases over several years. It also wasn't necessarily "bad". It was just largely not mindblowingly better than Netscape 3 (for normal users) while using more CPU and RAM. I also imagine in this context it's incomplete CSS support is problematic. Netscape 3 will ignore properly commented out CSS (mostly) while 4 will try to interpret wh…

I'm jealous of your memory capabilities, and I certainly remember that at some point it was nearly impossible to make website looks in similar way in Netscape and IE. At the end, there was something like acceptable variation in page view for different browsers.

> I'm jealous of your memory capabilities,

Thanks. Learning web development back then left some deep scars and lasting lessons. I can no longer imagine all the other stuff I haven't retained because I remember stupid browser quirks from nearly three decades ago.

Getting many designs working consistently between IE and Netscape was impossible. The 640px wide left-aligned table layout was popular for years because it was the easiest common denominator that looked acceptable in both browsers.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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There's a term I read about a long time ago, I think it was "aesthetic completeness" or something like that. It was used in the context of video games whose art direction was fully realized in the game, i.e. increases in graphics hardware or capabilities wouldn't add anything to the game in an artistic sense. The original Homeworld games were held up as examples. Anyway, this reminded me of that. Making these picture…

A lesser known title that I think hit that perfectly is Rez. So much so that the re-release almost 15 years later was for the most part, just higher resolution and cleaner rendering. But the overall style was not touched one bit.

Re: MacPaint Art from the Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today

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Or I do, because I played them? But that was my not well received point about nostalgia ..

I get your point. Truth is on both ends though. There truly are games which peaked in their visual style and even with modern power at their disposal nothing could be added that would make them look better. The medium they used, some of them, they used it to its maximum potential. I'd take pixel art's swan song game of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Modern rendition of it with let's say more detailed graphics, e…

I get the aesthetics of pixel art games. And I would likely not enjoy modern remakes of them. My point above was just, that I do admire those arts as great of their time - but looking at them today like in the picture above, I simply don't like the pixel style as an art style on its own.
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