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Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by Dylan16807 »

sandreas wrote: post #98
fnord77 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these little boxes are perfect for my home My use case is a backup server for my macs and cold storage for movies. 6x2Tb drives will give me a 9Tb raid-5 for $809 ($100 each for the drives, $209 for the nas). Very quiet so I can have it in my living room plugged into my TV. I have no room for a big noisy server.

While I get your point about size, I'd not use RAID-5 for my personal homelab. I'd also say that 6x2TB drives are not the optimal solution for low power consumption. You're also missing out server quality BIOS, Design/Stability/x64 and remote management. However, not bad. While my Server is quite big compared to a "mini" device, it's silent. No CPU Fan only 120mm case fans spinning around 500rpm, maybe 900rpm on load…

> I'd not use RAID-5 for my personal homelab.

What would you use instead?

ZFS is better than raw RAID, but 1 parity per 5 data disks is a pretty good match for the reliability you can expect out of any one machine.

Much more important than better parity is having backups. Maybe more important than having any parity, though if you have no parity please use JBOD and not RAID-0.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by jhancock »

thanks for the article.

I'm dreaming of this: mini-nas connected direct to my tv via HDMI or USB. I think I'd want HMDI and let the nas handle streaming/decoding. But if my TV can handle enough formats. maybe USB will do.

anyone have experience with this?

I've been using a combination of media server on my Mac with client on Apple TV and I have no end of glitches.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by atmanactive »

ezschemi wrote: post #143

I was about to order that GMKtek G9 and then saw Jeff's video about it on the same day. All those issues, even with the later fixes he showed, are a big no-no for me. Instead, I went with a Odroid H4-Ultra with an Intel N305, 48GB Crucial DDR5 and 4x4TB Samsung 990 Evo SSDs (low-power usage) + a 2TB SATA SSD to boot from. Yes, the SSDs are way overkill and pretty expensive at $239 per Samsung 990 Evo (got them with a…

Which load, 250MB/s? Modern NVMes are rated for ~20x speeds. Running at such a low bandwidth, they'll stay at idle temperatures at all times.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by aesh2Xa1 »

jhancock wrote: post #152

thanks for the article. I'm dreaming of this: mini-nas connected direct to my tv via HDMI or USB. I think I'd want HMDI and let the nas handle streaming/decoding. But if my TV can handle enough formats. maybe USB will do. anyone have experience with this? I've been using a combination of media server on my Mac with client on Apple TV and I have no end of glitches.

Streaming (e.g., Plex or Jellyfin or some UPnP server) helps you send the data to the TV client over the network from a remote server.

As you want to bring the data server right to the TV, and you'll output the video via HDMI, just use any PC. There are plenty of them designed for this (usually they're fanless for reducing noise)... search "home theater PC."

You can install Kodi as the interface/organizer for playing your media files. It handles the all the formats... the TV is just the ouput.

A USB CEC adapter will also allow you to use your TV remote with Kodi.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by atmanactive »

zerd wrote: post #130
gorkish wrote: post #90

NVMe NAS is completely and totally pointless with such crap connectivity. What in the WORLD is preventing these systems from getting at least 10gbps interfaces? I have been waiting for years and years and years and years and the only thing on the market for small systems with good networking is weird stuff that you have to email Qotom to order direct from China and _ONE_ system from Minisforum. I'm beginning to think…

It's annoying, around 10 years ago 10gbps was just starting to become more and more standard on bigger NAS, and 10gbps switches were starting to get cheaper, but then 2.5GbE came out and they all switched to that.

That's because 10GbE tech is not there yet. Everything overheats and drops-out all the time, while 2.5GbE just works. In several years from now, this will all change, of course.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by jhancock »

aesh2Xa1 wrote: post #154
jhancock wrote: post #152

thanks for the article. I'm dreaming of this: mini-nas connected direct to my tv via HDMI or USB. I think I'd want HMDI and let the nas handle streaming/decoding. But if my TV can handle enough formats. maybe USB will do. anyone have experience with this? I've been using a combination of media server on my Mac with client on Apple TV and I have no end of glitches.

Streaming (e.g., Plex or Jellyfin or some UPnP server) helps you send the data to the TV client over the network from a remote server. As you want to bring the data server right to the TV, and you'll output the video via HDMI, just use any PC. There are plenty of them designed for this (usually they're fanless for reducing noise)... search "home theater PC." You can install Kodi as the interface/organizer for playing…

thanks! I've tried Plex, Jellyfin etc on my Mac. I've tried three different Apple TV apps as streaming client (Infuse, etc). They are all glitchy. Another key problem is if I want to bypass the streaming server on my Mac and have Infuse on the Apple TV just read files from the Mac the option is Windows NFS protocol...which gives way too much sharing by providing the Infuse app with a Mac id/password.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by j45 »

sandreas wrote: post #98
fnord77 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these little boxes are perfect for my home My use case is a backup server for my macs and cold storage for movies. 6x2Tb drives will give me a 9Tb raid-5 for $809 ($100 each for the drives, $209 for the nas). Very quiet so I can have it in my living room plugged into my TV. I have no room for a big noisy server.

While I get your point about size, I'd not use RAID-5 for my personal homelab. I'd also say that 6x2TB drives are not the optimal solution for low power consumption. You're also missing out server quality BIOS, Design/Stability/x64 and remote management. However, not bad. While my Server is quite big compared to a "mini" device, it's silent. No CPU Fan only 120mm case fans spinning around 500rpm, maybe 900rpm on load…

I agreed with this generally until learning the long way why RAID 5 minimum is the only way to have some peace of mind and always a nas with at least 1-2 extra bays than you need.

Storage is easier as an appliance that just runs.

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Post by j45 »

guerby wrote: post #81

Related question: does anyone know of an usb-c powerbank that can be effectively used as UPS? That is to say is able to be charged while maintaining power to load (obviously with rate of charge greater by a few watts than load). Most models I find reuse the most powerful usb-c port as ... recharging port so unusable as DC UPS. Context: my home server is my old https://frame.work motherboard running proxmox VE with 64…

Any reaons you can't run a USB-C brick attached to a UPS? Some UPS' likely have USB plugs in them too.

Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by dwood_dev »

magicalhippo wrote: post #60
privatelypublic wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

QLC isn't an issue for consumer NAS- are 'you' seriously going to write 160GB/day, every day?

QLC have quite the write performance cliff though, which could be an issue during use or when rebuilding the array. Just something to be aware of.

The 2.5Gbe network writes against a RAID-Z1 config of 4 drives puts the sustained write speed below that of most QLC drives.

Recovery from a lost drive would be slower, for sure.

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Post by dwood_dev »

jhancock wrote: post #152

thanks for the article. I'm dreaming of this: mini-nas connected direct to my tv via HDMI or USB. I think I'd want HMDI and let the nas handle streaming/decoding. But if my TV can handle enough formats. maybe USB will do. anyone have experience with this? I've been using a combination of media server on my Mac with client on Apple TV and I have no end of glitches.

I've been running Plex on my AppleTV 4k for years with few issues.

It gets a lot of use in my household. I have my server (a headless Intel iGPU box) running it in docker with the Intel iGPU encoder passed through.

I let the iGPU default encode everything realtime, and now that plex has automatic subtitle sync, my main source of complaints is gone. I end up with a wide variety of formats as my wife enjoys obscure media.

One of the key things that helped a lot was segregating Anime to it own TV collection so that anime specific defaults can be applied there.

You can also run a client on one of these machines directly, but then you are dealing with desktop Linux.

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