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Modern Apple can't even do tacky things. Tacky things under Jobs were failed experiments. Modern Apple doesn't believe in either experiments or failed experiments.

I think back then their stock was so bad that anything to make it go up was a good thing. Now Apple is a multi trillion dollar company and they can’t take as much risk.

Given the Vision Pro, and the many billions spent on the now-defunct car project, I’m not so sure this is true.

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Completely disagree, for many people it was the only track in iTunes. And when things triggered iTunes to play it played that. I was in an older man’s car last year. It started playing the album. He remarked “oh that always plays, I don’t know why” as I reached for the volume. A decade later that album is still annoying people. Bluetooth triggered play or something like that and the only music on the old iPhone start…

I’ve met so many people who only have that one album on their devices, and it plays every time they plug into their car or connect via Bluetooth. And they are all just annoyed/accepting of it. My wife was one of them. And what made it worse was you couldn’t just pause it: with her car’s particular head unit, anything you touched (like the volume control) would cause the head unit to issue another “play music” command…

If I'm reading all this correctly, it sounds like Apple has a system that will automatically play unintended music at various times from the music library. The only way to prevent this is to completely wipe out the entire library.

And the chief complaint is that there is an album in the library.

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Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

The whole forcing a U2 album onto people’s devices thing, which happened shortly after Jobs died, was the first time I, a former Apple fan, sat up and realized “wow, these guys are really losing their taste/tact!” Weird to think that was over a decade ago!

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While Google may or may not refrain from putting ads in their wallet app due to this incident, the aggressive ways that they use to get me to use the wallet app have been off putting enough. Every now and then, there is a full-screen popup on my phone that wants to onboard me into the wallet app. The only options I have are "yes" or "later". Clearly a company that operates on the principle of "If the user doesn't wan…

I love these choices, yes or yes later. They do the same on my windows computer, ever time I open edge and every time I open a new tab ! This is the kind of behavior I wouldn’t even tolerate in real life, they are really taking us for sheeps.

Using windows and tolerating it’s crap is a choice, my dude. Linux and MacOS are right there.

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> And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actions over the course of many years. I just want to highlight this because Hacker News can be incredibly dismissive about this. Apple’s focus on privacy is a competitive advantage. Consumers value it, and Apple’s competitors have business models that undermine it. Even if you think Tim Cook is…

I disagree with you. I think the majority of Apple's promises are purely marketing. And this is a moment where the mask has slipped. Your account does not allow for the case where Apple can successfully convince their users that they are privacy-oriented while simultaneously not being privacy oriented. A great example of this is that they say that iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, and then the second you have an iClo…

> they say that iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, and then the second you have an iCloud backup that's completely broken.

It’s not completely broken. For average users, erring on the side of being able to restore from backup is the best choice. For people who need more security, that’s what Advanced Data Protection is for. You have the choice of which option suits you best; I think the default is appropriate for typical users.

> Apple is also the company that tried to introduce client-side content scanning of user photos.

What happened was they put a huge amount of effort into building a system that goes as far as it possibly can to implement CSAM detection that could work on E2E encrypted photo libraries while maintaining as much privacy as possible.

The design of the feature demonstrates they put a lot of effort into privacy – competitors just scan everything that’s uploaded to them, while Apple went above and beyond to do something a lot more difficult. The entire point of it was to detect without Apple having to have access to your photo library. There’s no point to design a system like that if they weren’t prioritising privacy – they could just scan on the server like everybody else if privacy isn’t a priority.

And what happened – everybody freaked out anyway, so they cancelled the feature. It’s an example that supports my point. Apple respond to incentives.

Personally, I wish they hadn’t cancelled the feature. Virtually everybody complaining about it didn’t understand how it worked and thought it worked in a completely different way.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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I got this ad, and ya, I was truly bewildered to get such an ad and then shocked that it came from my Wallet. I then spent the next hour searching how to disable this new marketing stream and it looks like nothing can be done. Anyway, glad to see I’m not alone here.

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So if Apple really cares about privacy, their products send less telemetry than my Linux system, correct?

> So if Apple really cares about privacy This is a complete misunderstanding of what I was saying. I wasn’t arguing that Apple “really cares” about privacy; quite the opposite – I was arguing that it doesn’t matter if Apple “really cares” , what matters is that they are financially and strategically incentivised to be pro-privacy. Linux is not Apple’s competitor. Apple only have to be better at privacy than their com…

> Apple only have to be better at privacy than their competitors.

Yeah, that's the sad thing. And on mobile their only competitor is Google... so they don't have to be really good at privacy.

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Apparently they removed the removal tool in 2018, you now have to contact Apple Support to get it removed.

> you now have to contact Apple Support to get it removed. I just checked, and I can delete it from my library the same way I can delete any other album.

Thanks for the tip! I’d given up on deleting this crap. Glad to see it works now, good riddance!

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Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

I remember when Jobs killed the Herald Square Apple Store even though the lease had been signed and it 'made sense' on paper. When visiting the location it's clear it's a dump and no Apple store will fix that. He put his brand before short term revenue.
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