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DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #150
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #149

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>It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. Remove the word Taiwan and you are describing the US. >It's about China being expansionist US has been doing that since their inception as a country. Are you telling me the USs 750 foreign military bases located in at least 80 for…

But the US doesn't imprison me for criticizing the government, or being Muslim.

Then you're clueless about or ignoring Guantanamo Bay. The ignorance and hypocrisy here is astonishing.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by slowmovintarget »

teruakohatu wrote: post #3

The title of the article is "DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress" but the body of the article says launch stalled because there is a lack of GPU capacity due to export restrictions, not because a lack of progress. The body does not even mention the word "progress". I can't imagine demand would be greater for R2 than for R1 unless it was a major leap ahead. Maybe R2 is going to be a larger/less perform…

> ...but that would be admitting defeat.

Given that DeepSeek is used by the Chinese military, I doubt that it would be a reasonable move for them to host in the U.S., because the capability is about more than profit.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by impossiblefork »

coderatlarge wrote: post #57
impossiblefork wrote: post #6

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The lack of GPU capacity sounds like bullshit though, and it's unsourced. It's not like you can't offer it as a secondary thing, sort of like O-3 or even just turning on the reasoning.

maybe they’re just waiting to see if they can run on chinese sourced silicon? just speculating

I think my real problem with it is that how slow it is is easy to predict beforehand. If it doesn't meet the goals set for it speed-wise, they could go for something smaller.

It should only be quality which could be unpredictable before training.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by rescbr »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #108
rescbr wrote: post #68

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> against violent dictatorships Then look up Latin America’s history, where the US actively worked to install and support such violent dictatorships. Some under the guise of protecting countries from the threat of communism - like Brazil, Argentina and Chile, and some explicitly to protect US company’s interests - like in Guatemala

Well, at least protecting Latin American countries from the threat of communism was a nice thing for us to do, wasn't it? Communism would certainly have done more harm than we did. The lesson of present-day America is that democracy is too important to be left to the people.

Ehhh… don’t forget that I wrote “under the guise”.

Lots of US companies got a lot of money out of those US-supported dictatorships, while destroying local businesses and torturing and killing people. Those were also the era of closed-off economies, hyperinflation and environmental destruction, so what the local people got out of it?

So yeah, thanks for protecting us from the dictatorship of the proletariat and fucking up our economies for decades. And I’m not also defending USSR and their imperialistic practices disguised as making the people as equal as possible - fuck them as well!

There’s an old book called “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” that gets into some details of how the US supported those dictatorships under Project Condor and other CIA programs. Is it 100% truthful? Maybe not, but the gist of it is.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by IncreasePosts »

mjmsmith wrote: post #126
IncreasePosts wrote: post #120

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Is rampant IP theft and corporate espionage considered fair in your book?

Whose rampant IP theft are you referring to?

China is the pretty obvious answer in this context.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by andrekandre »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #145
vbezhenar wrote: post #127

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Communism is good. By "protecting" them from communism, you doomed them to the horrors of capitalism.

You don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to get them to practice capitalism. People will trade labor, goods and services voluntarily unless you go out of your way to stop them. And spare us the false equivalence bullshit that we all know is coming.

  > trade labor, goods and services voluntarily
small nitpick, but trading != capitalism

capitalism is using capital (money, materials, and employees/work) as inputs to produce finished products with the goal of re-investing those profits into said production or into other markets

simply trading or rendering services can be done without the need for constant growth/profits or investment as capital over time (e.g coops, traditional businesses etc)

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by throwaway290 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #145
vbezhenar wrote: post #127

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Communism is good. By "protecting" them from communism, you doomed them to the horrors of capitalism.

You don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to get them to practice capitalism. People will trade labor, goods and services voluntarily unless you go out of your way to stop them. And spare us the false equivalence bullshit that we all know is coming.

> You don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to get them to practice capitalism. People will trade labor, goods and services voluntarily unless you go out of your way to stop them.

This is an important point. The only way communism "works" is top down enforcement.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by throwaway290 »

andrekandre wrote: post #156
CamperBob2 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to get them to practice capitalism. People will trade labor, goods and services voluntarily unless you go out of your way to stop them. And spare us the false equivalence bullshit that we all know is coming.

> trade labor, goods and services voluntarily small nitpick, but trading != capitalism capitalism is using capital (money, materials, and employees/work) as inputs to produce finished products with the goal of re-investing those profits into said production or into other markets simply trading or rendering services can be done without the need for constant growth/profits or investment as capital over time (e.g coops,…

That's not the definition of capitalism I see in my dictionary.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by Davidzheng »

lossolo wrote: post #118
Davidzheng wrote: post #43

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US will intervene militarily to stop China from taking control of TSMC if Taiwan isn't pressured by US to destroy the plants themselves, so I don't think taking Taiwan is a viable path to leading in silica only lowering US ability but given the current gap in GPUs it's not clear how helpful this is to China. So all in all I don't think China views taking Taiwan as beneficial in the AI race at all.

> US will intervene militarily to stop China from taking control of TSMC if Taiwan isn't pressured by US to destroy the plants themselves That's not certain. Most war games show that the U.S. would lose the war (also read official reports done for congress). You can't win against the world's leading producer of goods by trying to attack them from the sea when they can reach you with rockets from their own territory.

I didn't say the goal would be to stop China from taking Taiwan, only TSMC. I don't think it's impossible US launches its own attacks on TSMC fabs if TSMC doesn't destroy their production line voluntarily.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by Thorrez »

selfselfgo wrote: post #47
Thorrez wrote: post #8

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The article says this: >June 26 (Reuters) - Chinese AI startup DeepSeek has not yet determined the timing of the release of its R2 model as CEO Liang Wenfeng is not satisfied with its performance, >Over the past several months, DeepSeek's engineers have been working to refine R2 until Liang gives the green light for release, according to The Information. But yes, it is strange how the majority of the article is about…

I also find it strange. Do you think that it could be for political reasons?

No idea. I guess that's one possibility. Another idea is journalists grasping at straws to try to find something to expand an article.
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