Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026 • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by fluidcruft » Sun, Jun 29, 2025, 6:41 PM UTC

p_ing wrote: post #145

fluidcruft wrote: post #143

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The purpose of weasel words is to sell falsehoods as pre-meditated gaslighting. The deception was intentional and the press and public believed the deception as intended. I wasn't suggesting that Microsoft is legally liable about anything, only that many people believed their lie as they intended.

Many people believe the earth is flat but we don't put any credence into their beliefs.

If Microsoft encourages people to believe "the world is flat" and deploys deceptions and weasel words when directly questioned for confirmation there are two conclusions: (1) Microsoft knows the world is in fact not flat and (2) Microsoft wants everyone to believe the world is flat. And ultimately when people do believe the world is flat it is in fact a belief Microsoft has encouraged.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by doubled112 » Sun, Jun 29, 2025, 6:58 PM UTC

stubish wrote: post #132

doubled112 wrote: post #86

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They did give everybody on Windows 10 the Windows 11 upgrade. Is that similar? That would make it the last version you'll have to pay for. At least for most people. Some conditions may apply: * hardware compatibility permitting * until we decide otherwise * unless “the numbers” stop climbing * until AI suggests so

Machines were still being sold without TPM modules when Windows 10 was 'last Windows', so no.

Some conditions may apply:

* hardware compatibility permitting

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by vel0city » Sun, Jun 29, 2025, 10:20 PM UTC

gpm wrote: post #149

vel0city wrote: post #148

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Your main point was based on an untrue statement of "in front of the press" and attributing their writers making statements as official binding correspondence from a company and yet you say I'm making bad faith arguments. It wasn't a press event, it was a developer training session. A newspaper repeating an official position that can't be found anywhere else other than a guy giving a talk about live tiles and other n…

My main point continues to be entirely true, the statement was unambiguously made in front of the press, as proved by the press quoting it. The same statement as quoted by the newspaper (note: not a blog) globalnews can in fact be found elsewhere, quoted by other press sites. I didn't find the original - perhaps it was taken down or only made in a press release - but since e.g. arstechnica includes it in literal quot…

A good article talking about this as well:

https://web.archive.org/web/20211014012149/https://www.pcwor...

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by anticensor » Mon, Jun 30, 2025, 5:36 AM UTC

zanderwohl wrote: post #41

_mlbt wrote: post #3

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Windows 10 came out almost 10 years ago and they offered a free upgrade to Windows 11. I know people love to hate on Microsoft, but they’ve done better than most technology companies when it comes to security updates here. You’re lucky to get even half of that length of support from most Android devices for example.

> a free upgrade to Windows 11 My very expensive tower PC can't "up"grade because it doesn't have a TPM 2.0 module. So unless Microsoft plans to give me a new CPU (and new mobo) it's not free for many users.

TPM requirement can be bypassed with a registry edit, however this does not lift the requirements of the user apps that rely on TPM functions (such as Adobe CC or certain game anticheats).

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by cjbgkagh » Mon, Jun 30, 2025, 4:37 PM UTC

vel0city wrote: post #124

cjbgkagh wrote: post #76

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I previously worked at MS so asked friends about it and they agreed that there was an attempt to foster the impression of windows as a SAAS both internally and externally. If that impression gets out and is not countered then it’s a tacit acceptance. MS burns people all the time so we figured it would be another example of that. Just this time it’s more regular people and not just devs and partners. Some people inter…

> foster the impression of windows as a SAAS both internally and externally Which is a real product they really do sell so yeah that makes sense.

That did help the make the premise more believable, the problem occurs when a low cost laptop of $500 and lasting 5 years would result in $500 for the cost of the operating system (5 * $100), instead of the OEM cost $20-60 once off. It's difficult to market segment along this axis because the way the low end of the market lowers the cost is by stretching out the upgrades. It's hard to segment on the p.a. cost basis because it causes the people paying the higher rates rightfully want to know why - and there really isn't a good answer beyond they have more money.

Allowing forever upgrades without a subscription would mean that Microsoft would basically be giving up most of the money on the low end market segment, which would have been a nice principled thing to do. There are strategic reasons why this could be a good thing to do but it's hard to say no to giant piles of money even if you already have giant piles of money so we were certain Microsoft wasn't going to stick to this principle.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by dspillett » Mon, Jun 30, 2025, 11:48 PM UTC

vel0city wrote: post #125

dspillett wrote: post #98

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Slapping a webview component into a native app is a lot less heavy than a full election app. A lot heavier than not at all, of course, and webview felt heavy handed back then like election for OS components feels now, I feel a lesson has not been learned…

Either way they're shipping an entire browser stack, and back in 1997 it was even heavier in comparison to available compute. But rose colored glasses two US to ignore that.

IIRC the one set of browser parts was shared around between active desktop and other OS uses, where anything Electron based has its own instance of both chromium and node.