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Microsoft's big lie: Your computer is fine, and you don't need to buy a new one

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Re: Microsoft's big lie: Your computer is fine, and you don't need to buy a new one

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Post by rstuart4133 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #137
ryao wrote: post #22

Every time this happens, I wonder why people do not just drop Windows entirely.

I'm back to Windows for a new $job. It's truly awful in so many ways, Linux is a joy by comparison for daily driving, with Mac a close-ish second. With one difference: I'm not scared of software upgrades. The number of times my laptop was semi-bricked by an update, usually graphics driver, which required frantic googling for random commands, GRUB scripts with enormous disclaimers about how mistyping something will br…

I use Debian stable. I'm utterly unafraid Debian's security patches, in fact I just accept them on my home server boxes without inspection. The same can not be said for Windows - I'm seen Windows security upgrades render boxes unbootable.

Moving between between versions is a different matter. Yes, Windows does it better, but not reliably enough for me to trust it. So for both Debian and Windows it's a case of replace the drive, and do a fresh install. In Debian's case, zstd /mnt/usb/sda-backup.zstd also works, if you have time to kill. Copying everything to a squashfs image also works well.

If your using Ubunt then your experience will be different. People who choosing Ubuntu over Debian is as perplexing to me as people voluntarily using Windows.

Re: Microsoft's big lie: Your computer is fine, and you don't need to buy a new one

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Post by tiahura »

zdw wrote: post #148
tiahura wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"get it out with full fidelity" Primarily because there isn't a fully-functional equivalent.

It's almost like it was intentionally designed that way...

Like being able to use the same category for email and events?

Re: Microsoft's big lie: Your computer is fine, and you don't need to buy a new one

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Post by pjerem »

kgwxd wrote: post #109
pjerem wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> running Linux is fucking hard Changing your habits is hard. But that's also true for Windows > Mac. Linux (Mint) in itself isn't hard. You need to understand what's different. If you have no hardware issue, the biggest different lies in "how do I install [software]" ? But now most distros (incl. Linux Mint) are hidding the package managers (including flatpack which provides a lot of software) behind nice "App Store…

I have decades of experience with both Windows and Linux (many machines, distros, package managers(or lack of), DEs, terminals), but only 2 years with Mac. Getting a hang of the Mac was hard, especially since I also had to still switch between all OSes regularly. New environments and habits are hard, yeah, but Linux is objectively much harsher than most, it's not because I'm used to some particular DE.

Yup, macOS is still a mixed bag for me. Both really clever egonomics most of the time but also incredibly frustrating when you want to do something Apple didnt thought about. And it's not going in the right direction tbh.

I think my personal macbook (Air M2) is my last. And it's a shame because hardware-wise it's just perfect.

Relase after release of macOS, I don't feel like i'm their target anymore. Like Windows, I can't even remember when was the last time I was excited about a new macOS feature.

Re: Microsoft's big lie: Your computer is fine, and you don't need to buy a new one

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Post by yxhuvud »

nottorp wrote: post #127
yxhuvud wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, what spam did you get installing ubuntu?

I forgot the details already but i got a wizard style setup screen pushing extra services, then a pop up and an update screen both showed up, one wanting to upgrade me to the next LTS (i used 22.04 for reproducibility reasons) and one informing me there are package updates, in spite of the installer allegedly installing updates just 2 minutes before. Suspiciously like Windows.

So you install an outdated system and dislike that the system very clearly tells you it is outdated and that there is an upgrade?

There can also be updates on fresh systems, if said updates are released after the installer image was built.

> Suspiciously like Windows.

No, windows would start the upgrade without you telling it to and then forcefully restart while you were running programs.

Re: Microsoft's big lie: Your computer is fine, and you don't need to buy a new one

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Post by const_cast »

imzadi wrote: post #33
ryao wrote: post #22

Every time this happens, I wonder why people do not just drop Windows entirely.

Like it or not, Linux is still not really user friendly compared to a windows computer. Users still have to do command line stuff, and the software you are used to is not available. The equivalents are not as shiny as the windows versions. Macs might be too expensive for some people who are still running on old hardware.

Linux is significantly more user-friendly than Windows, the problem is it's unfamiliar. Windows is cryptic, roundabout, and very much the black sheep of modern operating systems. Nothing makes sense, there's a dozen settings panels, everything is everywhere, and the OS just breaks seemingly randomly if you leave it alone for long enough.

But we, consumers, have gotten so accustomed to the jank of Windows that we perceive it as intuitiveness. But is it really so? Just consider: what would Grandma have an easier time using? Elementary OS, or Windows 11? To me, the answer seems obvious. But we don't optimize for Grandma.

Re: Microsoft's big lie: Your computer is fine, and you don't need to buy a new one

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Post by nottorp »

yxhuvud wrote: post #154
nottorp wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot the details already but i got a wizard style setup screen pushing extra services, then a pop up and an update screen both showed up, one wanting to upgrade me to the next LTS (i used 22.04 for reproducibility reasons) and one informing me there are package updates, in spite of the installer allegedly installing updates just 2 minutes before. Suspiciously like Windows.

So you install an outdated system and dislike that the system very clearly tells you it is outdated and that there is an upgrade? There can also be updates on fresh systems, if said updates are released after the installer image was built. > Suspiciously like Windows. No, windows would start the upgrade without you telling it to and then forcefully restart while you were running programs.

Spam interrupting my work is spam. Plus I installed 22.04 for a reason.

I’m not a Linux newbie asking for advice, I’m just asking what the hell is happening to desktop Linux. As in im reasonably current on headless Linux. It was more respectful of the users concentration last time I used it seriously.

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