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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by frollogaston »

Clamchop wrote: post #147
akimbostrawman wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

google and similar corporations have well above 100 000 employees. calling 10 000 medium is perfectly accurate on that scale.

There are tremendous outliers here, although this feels like a good occasion to bring up the class size paradox: The vast majority of corps are small, but since so many people work for the extremely large ones, it may seem like they tend to be on the large side.

If you're asking how many people work in some large corp, I don't see a paradox. The corp size also doesn't matter here. There's 1 thrown away Win10 PC per employee whether it's a 100K employee company or 10 employees.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by CursedSilicon »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #73
CursedSilicon wrote: post #4

>Instead, they made some arbitrary reason to deprecate "old" hardware The criteria was based on hardware mitigation support for Meltdown and Spectre patches. Because at the time those vulnerabilities could be exploited by executing malicious javascript in a browser to steal passwords

BS. Microsoft provides a fully supported version of Windows 11 that doesn't have tpm requirement and works on all intel cpus starting from core i.

Factually incorrect. Anything older than Sandy Bridge no longer works due to the lack of POPCNT instructions

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-upda...

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by kyriakos »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #69
frollogaston wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

Corporations have a 2 to 3 year hardware refresh cycles, they throw away or donate PCs every cycle with or without Windows cut off.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by thefz »

ralferoo wrote: post #8

> So Microsoft decided to produce tons of e-waste for no obvious reason. There's a lot of capable hardware out there, and it would be of software company's interest to support as much hardware as possible. The author then goes on to describe how he's just purchased 3 new Windows 11 licences... (indirectly via new computers)

Eh, install something else?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by TiredOfLife »

CursedSilicon wrote: post #152
TiredOfLife wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BS. Microsoft provides a fully supported version of Windows 11 that doesn't have tpm requirement and works on all intel cpus starting from core i.

Factually incorrect. Anything older than Sandy Bridge no longer works due to the lack of POPCNT instructions https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-upda...

Factually incorrect. Nehalem first core i has support for sse4.2 and popcn

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by barrkel »

kyriakos wrote: post #153
akimbostrawman wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

Corporations have a 2 to 3 year hardware refresh cycles, they throw away or donate PCs every cycle with or without Windows cut off.

That's not really true for laptops any more.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by kyriakos »

barrkel wrote: post #156
kyriakos wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations have a 2 to 3 year hardware refresh cycles, they throw away or donate PCs every cycle with or without Windows cut off.

That's not really true for laptops any more.

Its still holds for laptops. Corporations buy hardware with a 2 or 3 year warranty periods; once the period is over its more cost effective to replace than renew service warranty.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by riobard »

const_cast wrote: post #149
riobard wrote: post #109

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That mentality gets us fragmentation of Linux DE for the past few decades with none winning majority mindshare and no commitment from major commercial developers. Sure with a capable browser most use cases can be covered but then there will not be a Year of Linux DE. It would be a Year of Chromium-based Browsers where DE is mostly irrelevant. Those abstracted away details matter a lot if you care about user experienc…

I don't think the fragmentation is a problem or even "solvable". The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist. That's just fundamentally incompatible with Linux on desktops. Who's going to take charge and make decisions? And, how will they enforce? Will they make their desk…

> The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist.

Sure, being closed-source prevents fragmentation from the start coz there's nothing to fork from, but it's not a requisite. There are many open source projects with less degree of fragmentation with major marketshare winners that the ecosystem can target for, and you can mostly recommend people to use without too much thinking, e.g. browsers and web servers.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by const_cast »

riobard wrote: post #158
const_cast wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the fragmentation is a problem or even "solvable". The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist. That's just fundamentally incompatible with Linux on desktops. Who's going to take charge and make decisions? And, how will they enforce? Will they make their desk…

> The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist. Sure, being closed-source prevents fragmentation from the start coz there's nothing to fork from, but it's not a requisite. There are many open source projects with less degree of fragmentation with major marketshare winners t…

Open source web browsers aren't fragmented? Really?

There's dozens of forks of Chromium. They're so prolific that everyone is advocating a different one. Opera is better, no wait brave is better, no actually arc is the best. But no wait, edge is pretty good.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by CoolCold »

ReptileMan wrote: post #50

Here is a fun quiz - what you think are the best features windows obtained after 7 (and 7 main feature was - is not Vista)? Windows store/apps are terrible, the online integration in the start menu is a torment. Cortana/copilot are useless at best. File search is absurdly slow - to the point where the almost abandonware Everything kicks MS ass. So we are left with only WSL.

I personally miss Cortana - I've used it to set timers/alarms via voice commands
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