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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by eru »

catigula wrote: post #108
eru wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, violent insurrection against the lawful authority of the Crown is no laughing matter. (And many of them were slaveowners, so they did not have moral authority neither by the standards of their day nor by ours.)

It's ambiguous. The concept of slavery being bad was quite novel and mostly comes from English philosophy/legal theory which America has a direct lineage from.

The German immigrants rejected slavery a lot more vigorously than the English who had been there for a bit longer.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by catigula »

eru wrote: post #151
catigula wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ambiguous. The concept of slavery being bad was quite novel and mostly comes from English philosophy/legal theory which America has a direct lineage from.

The German immigrants rejected slavery a lot more vigorously than the English who had been there for a bit longer.

Interesting if true. Regardless, I'd just expand the general net to a European philosophical lineage.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by eru »

qualeed wrote: post #99
burkaman wrote: post #96

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Those are not the only options, those are the two extremes of a spectrum. Most people fall in the middle with something like "assume people are innocent unless you see convincing evidence of guilt". This is a reasonable philosophy unless you have power over someone, in which case proof is much more important.

> "assume people are innocent unless you see convincing evidence of guilt". So... base assumption is innocent. That's all I was saying.

No. Base assumption doesn't have to be binary.

Just get some background rates, and assume that people are guilty with eg 0.1% probability. (Just a made a up number. Real priors should depend on a lot more context.)

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by camjw »

qualeed wrote: post #100
camjw wrote: post #98

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The point is that people should be able to use their own judgement on a wide variety of issues and not be forced to delegate their decision making power to the courts/third parties. There's a difference between "we want to lock this person up and take away their liberty, so we should be basically certain" versus "look man he's been done for drugs and she ended up with a broken arm, I don't trust this person".

> not be forced to delegate their decision making power to the courts/third parties. That's not close to what I was saying, and I don't know how people are interpreting it this way.

That is the point of saying "innocent until proven guilty"? Who does the proving? How can it not be interpreted in this way?

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by fakedang »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #121
fakedang wrote: post #97

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https://secondchancebusinesscoalition.org/ Lists other companies which are part of the coalition.

Thanks! Some surprise me, others, don't.

Yes, places like Koch Industries, heck even JP Morgan. General rule in most countries is that if you're a bank, you can't hire ex-convicts (for the lack of a better word).

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ty6853 »

dfxm12 wrote: post #150
ty6853 wrote: post #130

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One of the most baffling elements of the justice system is how little the victim is involved in the justice. 'Society' should not lord the lion's share of the justice decisions over the victims. Quite often the victim would prefer compensation and release over getting fuck all while the perpetrator languages in prison at the tax dollar of the victim. Much of 'justice' has been usurped from the victim into a jobs camp…

I think you're confusing or conflating civil and criminal courts. If someone breaks a law, that's generally a matter for the state to decide in a criminal court. If someone was damaged (i.e. if the victim feels the perpetrator owes them compensation), that's a matter for them to bring up themselves in the civil courts. These are separate functions; one situation could be tried in both courts. A famous example off the…

There's no element of the civil trial I'm aware of that allows the prisoner to be released to perform activity to compensate the victim. In practice imprisoning the perp against the wishes of the victim robs them of their civil awards, either by delay or denial.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by tiffanyh »

Very interesting.

I have some basic questions if anyone knows:

a. do all inmates get computer & internet access? (or only some, dependent upon the crime you committed)

b. do the inmates have to pay to use the computer & internet? I ask because I hear commissary is prohibitively expensive in prison.

c. how much time per week do inmate get to use the computer with internet access? (and is that time guaranteed they will get)

d. are there job boards specific to helping inmates find remote friendly jobs that are accepting of incarcerated individuals?

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

999900000999 wrote: post #142
glommer wrote: post #30

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I am the Turso CEO. We pay him a full salary, just not health care benefits.

Your doing the Lord's work. Even if you just paid him the state minimum wage, it would stop him from having a giant employment gap. The next step would be background check reform. A DUI record isn't relevant to anything not involving driving. Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so. I had an experience with a co worker who would brag about robbing people…

> Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so.

My understanding, is that's what the UK does, with an exemption for certain jobs, like teachers and creche hosts. In the US, I think some states have the ability to expunge convictions. Not sure about federal crimes, though.

The "scarlet letter" of a past conviction is a very real issue, and keeps some folks down. People can get past it, though. I know folks that served time for murder, that have very good careers, and people that have misdemeanor records, that have always struggled.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by dylan604 »

qualeed wrote: post #53
dylan604 wrote: post #45

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There's also a difference of being guilty of doing something but never having charges brought against you. Many times in domestic violence cases we see the victim not press charges. It doesn't mean the victim was not the recipient of violence.

Whatever speculations you want to make, the person was not convicted of assault. It's not the place of random hacker news commenters to try to and hold assault against him because you think, after reading 2 minutes about the case, that he should have been convicted.

I never said anything about this specific case. Everything I said was generic differences between actually doing something and not having charges brought vs given the presumption of innocence while defense against charges.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ThinkBeat »

bjorkandkd wrote: post #17

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The most common reason violent offenders escape charges or conviction or domestic abuse is that the victim(s) are too afraid to press charges, and/or they feel guilty about it happening or even the feeling that they brought it on themselves and deserved it.

This then combined with the fact that the abuser is going to jail for on unrelated convictions. This is a huge relief to any abuse survivor. The person is going away, and I will be safe.

The other component is all the steps involved with filing charges which will often feel invasive and have to bring it all up again.

I have seen this up close and personal on a few occasions, I have begged the victim to go to the police but they would not do it.

The worst outcome of this is when the abuser is let out, the abuser may seek out the victim again, or the abuser will find new victims.

In this case the police had a call from a close family member accusing the person of domestic abuse. They had suspicious behavior from the accused person. They also witnessed that the possible victim had multiple injuries consistent with domestic abuse. As well as the arm injury the call from the family member had initially reported. But probably no charges or at least no convictions.

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