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If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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Make sure you press the "c" button in the bottom right. Light is incredibly slow, and everything seems out of reach. I think we'll have a holodeck before we reach another star. And maybe that'll be enough.

> I think we'll have a holodeck before we reach another star. And maybe that'll be enough.

I agree, but not because of the relative difficulty of the technology, but because we spend way more on entertainment than space exploration.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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Make sure you press the "c" button in the bottom right. Light is incredibly slow, and everything seems out of reach. I think we'll have a holodeck before we reach another star. And maybe that'll be enough.

Is light slow? Or is the human perception of time just scaled down as a result of our rapid metabolism and infinitesimality? People historically mistake plants for being inanimate things with no reactivity, that they are far more simple and stupid than they truly are. Outside of a few exotic examples, plants simply operate on a wider timescale that's basically imperceptible without careful and particular observation.…

> Is light slow?

It’s always faster than you or I. Even if we zipped around at relativistic speeds it would still appear the same.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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Not out of reach if you get very close to light speed. Time would advance very slowly for you, so counterintuitively it is possible to travel 5000ly in your life time. Although for everyone else at least 5000 years will pass, so better say goodbye to family and friend. Hm, not sure if that is really less depressing... Also light isn't slow. A photon instantly travels to the end of time and yet it still takes a few mi…

It depends on acceleration though. If acceleration and deceleration take long enough, it could take an entire generation to get up to a fast enough speed that relativistic effects make any difference, and another generation to slow down enough to interact with anything you might see. Plus if you're traveling at near light speed, running into any matter at all would be pretty devastating for whatever craft you're in.…

> that accelerating at 1G would get you to 0.1c in a month

Minor problem is that we don’t have any technology that’s close to capable of that. And at 0.1c relativistic effects are barely noticeable.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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Read up on time dilation and special relativity. Time absolutely does pass slower for you as you accelerate.

You two are talking about different meanings of "time". Traveling 5,000 LY at 0.5 c will cause you the spaceship pilot to age 20,000 years. It's non-relativistic, inside that inertial frame. Clock second hands still sweep slow but noticeable circles. Meanwhile, everyone outside of the spaceship is happening FAST, by your observations. You'll see stars turn red and go supernova.

The journey will take 10,000 years for an external stationary observer and about 8695 years for the pilot.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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I love how simple the HTML/CSS is. Absolute positioning with really large left: values. #saturn { position: absolute; left: 412397px; height: 34px; width: 65px; fill: #ffa043; }

We have come full circle. I'd imagine that px uses a surprising amount of abstraction.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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> Light is incredibly slow, and everything seems out of reach. Yes, agreed. I find it a little depressing. An unimaginably huge universe, tantalisingly there, but completely out of reach.

It makes me wonder what kind of "life" could perform interstellar travel? I used to imagine a spaceship being alive, with people inside being analogous to "cells" in a multicellular organism. Perhaps this is really how AI achieves consciousness?

> It makes me wonder what kind of "life" could perform interstellar travel?

That’s essentially the premise of Project Hail Mary. Good book.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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Traveling at .1c within the solar system wouldn’t really be feasible due to the need to accelerate and decelerate. Not for meatbag ships anyway.

There's nothing about 0.1c or even 0.999c travel that's detrimental to meatbags. They would both feel exactly the same to the traveler. If your (for now) imaginary rocket could accelerate at a constant, gentle 1G, you could reach 0.1c in about a month (traveler's time), and you could reach 0.999c in about 44 months. Building and fueling such a rocket is the hard part.

My point was that the GP talked about flight times assuming instantaneous acceleration and deceleration. Also, 1G of acceleration sustained over a month is more or less impossible for meatbag-sized spacecraft, especially if you need to also accelerate all the fuel you’ll need to decelerate. The rocket equation is simply way too brutal. Something like nuclear pulse propulsion might come close. Or antimatter propulsion if we’ll ever be able to create and store entire moles worth of antimatter.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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You’d feel nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever. The starscape outside the ship would look strange though, shrinking into a small, blueshifted patch of sky straight ahead, while stars behind you would redshift out of the visible range. Everything moving at very low speeds relative to you would indeed appear to happen really fast.

What are the chances of hitting a small meteorite or part of it, traveling now at relativistic speeds wrt you?

Micrometer-scale specks of dust would hit you like they were armor piercing tank gun rounds. The usual shielding proposed is ice. Lots of ice.

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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You mean technically? I should have posted the beta dwitter link which has the "compress" toggle, because most dweets are unicode packed. https://beta.dwitter.net/d/26521 Here's the js anyway: for(i=10;i--;x.fillStyle=R(i-8||255),x.beginPath(x.fill()))x.arc(960+[45,29,14,8,2,1.5,1,.6,0,0][i]*1e5*S(t/5e3/[165,84,29,12,2,1,.6,.2,1,1][i]),540,[24,25,58,69,3.4,6.4,6,2.4,696,2e3][i],0,7) This one is actually relatively si…

I presume including Pluto's parameters in the array is both a rebellious statement and a brag. ("Yes, my JS snippet could have been even shorter if you asked the IAU.")

Actually I couldn't fit Pluto, I sacrificed everything I could, but to fit it would require sacrificing the precision of Mars, Earth and Mercury (dropping the decimal), but I wanted to maintain enough precision to be able to tell them apart by size (which you just about can at full screen due to antialiasing)... Otherwise I definitely would have included it for that very sentiment ;)

The reason there are 10 radi is for 8 planets + sun + drawing the black backdrop (2e3): [24,25,58,69,3.4,6.4,6,2.4,696,2e3]

Re: If the moon were only 1 pixel: A tediously accurate solar system model (2014)

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What are the chances of hitting a small meteorite or part of it, traveling now at relativistic speeds wrt you?

Extremely low. Space is very empty.

Micrometer-scale dust particles would in fact hit you all the time. And they’d absolutely mess up your ship over time without a lot of shielding.
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