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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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People are eager to pay money to not deal with other people. Which makes me pessimistic about the future of humanity given recent developments in AI really

Waymos are more pleasant to be in and people value comfort. I've had many Uber drivers who love to speed, which can be terrifying in SF. The bus can be a real crapshoot with who's on it. The bus also can take forever depending on where you start and where you need to go. The service that waymo provides is just on average better.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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> Are the American's you're referencing living in the EU or back in the US? The EU > Could the language barrier be a reason for their hesitancy? No: > (and it's not a language barrier problem, because everyone speaks english) >I've heard stories about gen-z/alpha being more app brained I think you might be on to something there, maybe it's more of a generational thing than a cultural difference between American and E…

German Millennial here, I'd much prefer an app to having to call someone. I hate calling anyone, and I know I'm not alone there. Let me text or use an app and I'm in.

I am a millennial and maybe I am just in the Minority of Millennials that quite likes talking to people even when It's contractual.

I walk to restaurants if I can to avoid using Wolt for instance.

Then again, I appreciate that AI is probably a better driver than 60% of taxi drivers.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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This is the thing that people don't realize about autonomous AI. It's not primarily about saving money. Autonomous taxis are superior to Uber and yellow cabs. It's a better experience, and it's far safer. Autonomous cars aren't cheaper, they're better. When AI agents replace human jobs, any cost savings is secondary. A coding job where the AI does most of the grunt work is superior to a job where humans do everything…

>AI agents done well are superior at call center jobs, screen-based office work, mortgage processing, financial analysis, most business consulting like process redesign, etc. The biggest benefit isn't reducing payroll, it's doing the job faster, with higher quality and more consistency. Just wait until your human needs inside the bowels of some corporate or government bureaucracy, that no matter what will inevitably…

Basically Level 1 call center stuff is useless for anyone who knows what they are doing (and hasn't just made a knucklehead mistake). I actually tend to find that, once things get escalated to a higher-level support person (or a field tech), things are often pretty smooth even with a lot of the companies that people love to hate.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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This makes a lot of sense to me. When you ride in an Uber or a taxi, you're a guest in the driver's space. In a Waymo, it's your own space. You can play music, talk on the phone, etc. without worrying about disturbing the driver. You're not likely to have strong odors, or driver's phone conversations. And the experience will be roughly consistent each time. In an Uber, you have no idea what the car or the driving standards will be like until you're in it. I trust my own driving over a Waymo, but I'd trust Waymo over an average Uber driver, let alone a bad one.

I've had some nice conversations with Uber drivers, but I've had some unpleasant rides too. I'd definitely pay a bit extra for a good driverless car. ('Good' being key. After trying out the Tesla FSD beta a couple times though, you couldn't pay me to ride in one of those without the ability to grab control.)

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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A robot can be programmed to do that. As soon as they're economically incentivized to do so someone will write that code.

When the driver and the platform are different entities (like Uber) you end up with these weird incentives. How would that happen in the Waymo case?

Some analyst will figure out the robots have less billable time on task and they’ll find some way to avoid the problem.

There’s a million ways to do it. Shadow ban locations, mistakenly pull up to the wrong location, etc.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. The Ioniq version [1] costs less to build. All the sheet metal and mechanical mods for Waymo are done at the Hyundai factory in Georgia.[2] Waymo just mounts the electronics. Jobs at the Hyundai factory start at $23.66/hour, with reasonably good benefits.[3] [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/waymo-and-hyundai-enter-partn... [2] https://www.hmgma.com/ [3] https://care…

>Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up.

Meaning their profits will rise as they inevitably increase prices

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. The Ioniq version [1] costs less to build. All the sheet metal and mechanical mods for Waymo are done at the Hyundai factory in Georgia.[2] Waymo just mounts the electronics. Jobs at the Hyundai factory start at $23.66/hour, with reasonably good benefits.[3] [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/waymo-and-hyundai-enter-partn... [2] https://www.hmgma.com/ [3] https://care…

>Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. Meaning their profits will rise as they inevitably increase prices

Exactly, capitalism isn't about putting capital to work doing things. It's only concern is share holder profit!

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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The worst is Revel, which, in NYC, are ALL teslas/EVs. worst taxi experience of my life was a 1 hr drive to airport in stop and go street light traffic. I appreciated the hustle but deleted the app soon after my gag reflex subsided. they should at least disable regenerative braking or something

Regen braking is a way of slowing down like drum brakes. It's not inherently any less smooth.

Uber guys take a bath on EVs, they try to squeeze more range.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. The Ioniq version [1] costs less to build. All the sheet metal and mechanical mods for Waymo are done at the Hyundai factory in Georgia.[2] Waymo just mounts the electronics. Jobs at the Hyundai factory start at $23.66/hour, with reasonably good benefits.[3] [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/waymo-and-hyundai-enter-partn... [2] https://www.hmgma.com/ [3] https://care…

>Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. Meaning their profits will rise as they inevitably increase prices

Minority view here I'm sure but maybe profits are a just reward for inventing the future - this is literally science fiction come to life

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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I've been in more than one Uber that smelled like the driver just smoked weed.

I formally report it every time I'm in a car that has the deodorizer turned up to 11 because it makes me nauseous. My worst one was a 30 minute ride to the airport in LA - I thought about just having them pull over and ordering a replacement

> I formally report it every time I'm in a car that has the deodorizer turned up to 11 because it makes me nauseous.

This is a good thing. I do think we're much better off now than we were in the 80s-10s (relentless, pervasive over-fragrancing).

But lately I've been running into the occasional Axe-weilder or odd desktop gadget that creates an airplane sized zone of unbreatable air. It might be time to dust-off some civil reminders about air quality.

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