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"Localhost tracking" explained. It could cost Meta €32B

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Post by jayd16 »

haliskerbas wrote: post #148
globalise83 wrote: post #124

This system was designed and implemented by engineers who committed code in a source control system with their name attached, and the changes were requested by product managers in tickets in the ticketing system with their name attached. Those engineers and product managers should be personally liable for an equivalent % of their annual salary as Facebook is liable for a % of its annual revenue.

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How often you're asked has no bearing on the morality or criminality of the ask.

Hitmen can't just say "but I keep getting hired to kill people."

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Post by gausswho »

aorth wrote: post #92

Remember in 2014 when the Android Twitter app started sending a list of all your installed applications back to Twitter? https://news.bloomberglaw.com/privacy-and-data-security/twit... Ever since then I refused to install native versions of apps that could be used in a browser. I don't use Facebook or Instagram so I don't know if that works anymore, and I recall testing that they were intentionally crippling Facebook…

I felt a prude at the time but eschewed native apps for browser versions and haven't regretted. Didn't benefit from notification distraction anyway. Apple and Google just didn't get their houses in order to be taken seriously.

If it ain't on F-Droid, I'll wait.

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Post by kgwxd »

tdiff wrote: post #126

What I don't get: - How come Yandex was doing it for years without being noticed. - Facebook must have known about this technique for years as well, why did they only enable it last year.

They knew who was going to be president this year.

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Post by kstrauser »

taormina wrote: post #135
globalise83 wrote: post #124

This system was designed and implemented by engineers who committed code in a source control system with their name attached, and the changes were requested by product managers in tickets in the ticketing system with their name attached. Those engineers and product managers should be personally liable for an equivalent % of their annual salary as Facebook is liable for a % of its annual revenue.

I like the idea, but I see no reason to shield the management that demanded this of the rank and file. Accountability should go all the way up the chain.

Yes, but it should include everyone involved, from top to bottom. We won't get those data theft misfeatures if engineers refused to work on them out of personal liability.

Re: "Localhost tracking" explained. It could cost Meta €32B

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Post by isk517 »

Miraste wrote: post #103
LoganDark wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? AI will enable better AR/VR experiences, or AI will obsolete them?

Simpler than that: AI co-opted the hype machine and the buzzword gurus, and therefore the investor money.

Pretty much, and it's a shame because AR has so much potential. Our company has started using a AR product in our quality control. It really doesn't take using it for long to realize the potential, being able to overlay a CAD model over the physical finished project is incredible and offers a lot of time savings. Unfortunately the most advanced AR device on the market is over 5 years old so you can really feel the software brush up against the hardware limitations.

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Post by BlarfMcFlarf »

fifilura wrote: post #122

If this fine is collected. Will I get the money? Serious question. I don't generally mind paying taxes and all that. But in this case I feel I am the person offended and I should get some kind of compensation. I'd say €1-2000 would make me feel somewhat compensated.

Theoretically, fines replace tax revenue, so you get compensated by lower taxes. (Practically, spending and income are decoupled and taxes are mostly just an inflation management strategy.)

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Post by BlarfMcFlarf »

DrScientist wrote: post #25
Waterluvian wrote: post #5

Every story like this has me thinking about two things: 1. Companies have no soul. They are, by design, just chasing revenue. Everything else is just a risk to be factored. 2. There are real humans at these companies who choose to take part in the business and design and engineering, etc. I don’t think these humans have no soul (though some won’t), and I don’t think they’re stupid (though some are). I think it’s just…

> Companies have no soul. They are, by design, just chasing revenue. Everything else is just a risk to be factored. I disagree - companies are set up/run by people, and those people define company culture/ company culture reflects those people. Not all companies, even big ones, are the same. To make that concrete - if Mark Zuckerberg found out about the above activity and was appalled and sacked everyone involved tha…

When an insurance company executive decided to start screwing consumers a bit less, a board member initiated a lawsuit against him and the company. The system corrects for errors, and individual choices to do better are exactly such an error.

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Post by lazyeye »

DrScientist wrote: post #25
Waterluvian wrote: post #5

Every story like this has me thinking about two things: 1. Companies have no soul. They are, by design, just chasing revenue. Everything else is just a risk to be factored. 2. There are real humans at these companies who choose to take part in the business and design and engineering, etc. I don’t think these humans have no soul (though some won’t), and I don’t think they’re stupid (though some are). I think it’s just…

> Companies have no soul. They are, by design, just chasing revenue. Everything else is just a risk to be factored. I disagree - companies are set up/run by people, and those people define company culture/ company culture reflects those people. Not all companies, even big ones, are the same. To make that concrete - if Mark Zuckerberg found out about the above activity and was appalled and sacked everyone involved tha…

Here's a senior ex-Facebook exec detailing how the company would betray users in the US to the CCP to help gain access to the Chinese market:-

https://youtu.be/f3DAnORfgB8

amongst other things...

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Post by okanat »

ribosometronome wrote: post #129
globalise83 wrote: post #124

This system was designed and implemented by engineers who committed code in a source control system with their name attached, and the changes were requested by product managers in tickets in the ticketing system with their name attached. Those engineers and product managers should be personally liable for an equivalent % of their annual salary as Facebook is liable for a % of its annual revenue.

How would the EU fine American engineers who live and are paid in America?

Well some of them definitely has savings in Europe and like to travel destinations in Europe.
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