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After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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> "and having offshore porn sites or any other third parties collect IDs from adults and becoming a repository of potential blackmail material comes with its own risks [...] A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children" said the company's (Proton's) spokesperson While I agree with their second point, the first argument sounds a bi…

Their proposed alternative is even worse IMO. Even if you can figure out some privacy-safe way of doing on-device age verification, the end result will be a web that only works if you are browsing from an "approved" client - i.e. a platform controlled by Apple, Google or Microsoft.

Not necessarily. You need some source of truth (i.e. government ID) to sign digital tokens representing attributes like "18+". Those tokens are uploaded to those websites.

The risk becomes "kids loading their parents' ID into their phones" but with decent digital ID that shouldn't be a problem.

Yivi already solves this problem. It's being used as a basis for an implementation of a European digital ID of sorts, though I'm still sceptical of the European side of things.

The app works on any device because the device doesn't do anything special. All it does is POST some signed token if the user clicks "approve".

I suppose this can be a problem in the US where people hate the idea of digital government ID for some reason, but that's a political problem, not a technical one. France already has a digital ID equivalent for use with government services, as do all other EU member states in their own way, so the source of these tokens is practically ready to go.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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post #126
post #19

> "and having offshore porn sites or any other third parties collect IDs from adults and becoming a repository of potential blackmail material comes with its own risks [...] A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children" said the company's (Proton's) spokesperson While I agree with their second point, the first argument sounds a bi…

Their proposed alternative is even worse IMO. Even if you can figure out some privacy-safe way of doing on-device age verification, the end result will be a web that only works if you are browsing from an "approved" client - i.e. a platform controlled by Apple, Google or Microsoft.

There could easily be a web standard to allow/disallow NSFW content and the web browsers could broadcast this flag based on settings at OS level similarly to the light/dark theme setting at OS level that can be used by websites and it works on all OS/web browsers implementing this trivial feature.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Like with anything, you need to do a proper job educating your kids before trusting safeguards to keep them safe. That would be my bet for a scalable solution. Some kids will still drown, it’s unavoidable. But swimming lessons are much more effective at preventing drowning deaths than fences.

I somewhat agree with your point, but I'd quibble with the analogy, and its implication about the usefulness/importance of fences. I'd argue that the Internet is less like water, and more like a freeway. (It is the "information super-highway", after all!) We do put (quite tall) fences up between freeways and residential areas (or between freeways and areas with wildlife!), and for good reason: unlike deep water (that…

Freeway is a great example in more ways: large swaths of society were destroyed in the process of making them (less purposefully in the case of the Internet/social media I think) and paradoxically reduced social connections despite seemingly making it easier to travel/connect. Now everywhere is unsafe because of car dependence/social media everywhere (i.e. Pauly Likens meeting adults on grindr https://www.newsweek.com/missing-teen-dead-pauly-likens-dash...)

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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This never happens tho - parents dont sometimes even know how to use the tech. Its like giving a gun to a child and telling them its ok, just remember when you open the packaging to take the safety off. ...and oh yeh the safety software changes every few months so you will have to review it

I’m sorry who is who in this analogy. Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”. Bad modern parents just give their kids an iPad.

> Because if internet/tech is the gun then the clear solution is “not giving your children guns”.

Funnily enough, no. The clear solution is to ensure that you talk to your children about [gun|online] safety. Show them how to use the [gun|internet] safely. Make sure they know that they can ask to use your [gun|device] any time they'd like -- but only under your supervision.

Take the mystery away through education and experience, and like anything else [guns|the internet] becomes just another part of adult life. Just one more thing that can be dangerous if used incorrectly.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Wild. What is the rationale?

Apparently to "keep the peace" and to "protect the children" but I couldn't find any good source on this. Intuitively it seems to me this is the most counterproductive law ever as living with this doubt is the best way to destroy a family.

Right but I think it's mainly about saving tax payer money from child support by shifting the burden to men.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Well, doesn't porn-ish entertaiment fuck up ones reward system? I'm not talking of porn specificly, but about a range of products that turn people into "dopamine rats", constantly pressing a button for more bursts of novelty?

> fuck up ones reward system I am personally not aware of those (products that would damage one's reward system), can you name some?

besides porn, things like facebook, tiktok, instagram, reddit... generalising, it's everything that acts as a button "gib me more novelty" that one can press as much and as frequently as they want.

surely, not everybody is hooked by these things, and it's definitely possible to use them without harm, but sometimes it requires training and (self-)awareness.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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It’s not an argument, it’s a command. You’re not convincing your kids that you are right. You are reminding them of the consequences if they disagree.

> You’re not convincing your kids that you are right. You are reminding them of the consequences if they disagree Very inadvisable. Raise them in view to being adults.

I absolutely do this, but there are times when "because I said so" is the actual answer.

As an adult, there are plenty of situations where you are subject to the authority of others. Learning to deal with disagreement with that is also part of being an adult.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Right. The question is whether porn is poisonous, and many people (myself included) genuinely feel the answer is yes. Mature, responsible adults can often ration their consumption enough to avoid too many negative effects - as they do with alcohol - but even adults sometimes fail and for children it's much harder.

> is poisonous With all due, some may want to advise you to check into that. It could be that it does strange things because of the way you are wired. Please note (about similar corners) what I have already written in the page, "for some it brings a satisfaction and this is an outlet valve that reduces adverse social effects; for some it is a kindler and it will increase adverse social effects". To some it will be th…

nah, alcohol is a poison. this is a fact

the effects are dose based which teens are not known to respect :)

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