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Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by jfb »

smacktoward wrote: post #26
Torgo wrote: post #18

I am not convinced that this needs a new protocol as they claim. Facebook-style functionality be done on top of activity streams, pubsubhub, salmon, webfinger et al. They indicate they have investigated existing systems and found them lacking. I would rather have something like this built on protocols that a bunch of people have discussed out in the open first. That said, I am interested to see more details as they a…

Or at least some hard details about what those existing alternatives are lacking. That could lead to further improvement, as whatever communities have already formed around those alternatives could debate the questions and possibly improve their protocols. As it is the FAQ reads like "those are old and busted, we wanted something new and hot," which gives off an aura of NIH syndrome.

And yet, where NIH would be useful, they reuse the inappropriate HTTP.

Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by StavrosK »

gjulianm wrote: post #12

My first thought was "Well, Diaspora with another name". But after reading and understanding it (it's not very well explained there) seems like a much more abstract thing. They want to build an abstraction layer to the social web, not a social network. The idea seems pretty good. It's just the basics: you follow people and receive their content (text, images, whatever), and people follow you and you share content wit…

I had emailed the Diaspora guys back in the day, before Diaspora was released, begging them to create exactly this, an encrypted, secure social framework and associated protocol, so people could easily build their own social apps on it.

They never replied, I guess they were well out of their depth as it was...

Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by radtad »

lukifer wrote: post #132
enobrev wrote: post #97

A few years back, I started getting interested in a similar idea. I'm definitely intrigued in seeing how well it goes. Good luck to you. Of course, as ideas go, I allowed myself to think further into the possibilities, and found some interesting avenues. For instance, why allow the facebooks, twitters, etc to own domain over our content? Let people store their own data, and offer API endpoints giving facebook, twitte…

It's a great concept, but here's where it breaks down: once data is given out, it can never be retracted. Whether it's an author's novel or a shopper's purchase history, once the data is released to someone in a readable format, they are unable to stop the recipient from doing something they don't like with that data. Granted, the issue can be mitigated with trust networks, social conventions, or laws, but it comes d…

This may be naive but isn't this just an endemic problem for all social networks. Anything I share on a social network can be copied by people allowed to view it and dispersed. Doesn't it just fall on trusting those you share with? If not, what is the difference?

Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by _sh »

rapind wrote: post #118
danielsiders wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely-- The first "Tent server implementation" will have it's own name, TBD. We spent a lot of time on nomenclature and still aren't 100% with any of the terms, they're effectively all in flux until v1.0. The wackier issue is whether users call their "Tent-servers" "Tents". If you have any suggestions on names for this or any other terms, we'd love to hear them! edit: when the hosted version launches it will be…

A collection of Tents could be called a "Camp".

A cluster of camps, perhaps related to a specific topic, could be called a 'Jamboree'.

Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by nahname »

lukifer wrote: post #132
enobrev wrote: post #97

A few years back, I started getting interested in a similar idea. I'm definitely intrigued in seeing how well it goes. Good luck to you. Of course, as ideas go, I allowed myself to think further into the possibilities, and found some interesting avenues. For instance, why allow the facebooks, twitters, etc to own domain over our content? Let people store their own data, and offer API endpoints giving facebook, twitte…

It's a great concept, but here's where it breaks down: once data is given out, it can never be retracted. Whether it's an author's novel or a shopper's purchase history, once the data is released to someone in a readable format, they are unable to stop the recipient from doing something they don't like with that data. Granted, the issue can be mitigated with trust networks, social conventions, or laws, but it comes d…

I think the issue of everyone storing data in their own custom format would kill it well before that surfaced.

Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by mgualt »

victorNicollet wrote: post #150

I believe this is a great idea, but I disagree with some points of your implementation. I actually started writing a lengthy comment about this, and after about two hours of writing I decided it might look better as a blog post, so there you go: http://www.nicollet.net/2012/08/tent-the-right-goals-the-wro...

I find your post interesting, and it goes some way to answering my own questions. However, your post is based on the premise

"There are four issues with decentralized, large-scale sharing of content between non-technical people..."

and you claim those four issues are 1. Identity Persistence 2. Data Persistence 3. Publishing 4. Access Restrictions

I do not see why this is so. But even if it is, it is not even clear if the main point, at this stage, is to identify the atomic components of the "social web" -- perhaps what is sought after now is a slightly higher-level conceptual framework which puts these together.

For example, "publishing" may be missing the point - perhaps we need a finer grained concept: different kinds of collaboration, delegation of authority, distribution of tasks, self-communication, electronic cloud prayer...

Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by wamatt »

lukifer wrote: post #132
enobrev wrote: post #97

A few years back, I started getting interested in a similar idea. I'm definitely intrigued in seeing how well it goes. Good luck to you. Of course, as ideas go, I allowed myself to think further into the possibilities, and found some interesting avenues. For instance, why allow the facebooks, twitters, etc to own domain over our content? Let people store their own data, and offer API endpoints giving facebook, twitte…

It's a great concept, but here's where it breaks down: once data is given out, it can never be retracted. Whether it's an author's novel or a shopper's purchase history, once the data is released to someone in a readable format, they are unable to stop the recipient from doing something they don't like with that data. Granted, the issue can be mitigated with trust networks, social conventions, or laws, but it comes d…

> It's a great concept, but here's where it breaks down: once data is given out, it can never be retracted.

Isn't Twitter the same though? Deleted tweet's have a way of staying around... :P

Re: Introducing Tent - the decentralized social web

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Post by fellars »

enobrev wrote: post #97

A few years back, I started getting interested in a similar idea. I'm definitely intrigued in seeing how well it goes. Good luck to you. Of course, as ideas go, I allowed myself to think further into the possibilities, and found some interesting avenues. For instance, why allow the facebooks, twitters, etc to own domain over our content? Let people store their own data, and offer API endpoints giving facebook, twitte…

Similar to what personal.com is trying to accomplish
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