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GUIs are built at least 2.5 times

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Post by WillAdams »

Grosvenor wrote: post #143
DonHopkins wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PostScript is great for user interfaces! I've written lots and lots of user interfaces in PostScript. Just not Display PostScript. NeWS was a lot better for making interactive user interfaces than Display PostScript, and it came out a lot earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS The Story of Sun Microsystems PizzaTool (entirely written in PostScript): https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-story-of-sun-microsystems-...…

People you should be paying careful attention to this. You could be living 40 years in the future. Instead, we're were we are and rapidly ossifying.

I'd like to find a nicer development environment which made use of such options.

Apple killed off HyperCard, Runtime Revolution became LiveCode which when opensource, then closed source and now is only available for monthly license fees.

PythonCard never got to 1.0 and hasn't been updated in almost two decades...

I'm currently doing all my development in:

https://pythonscad.org/

(Python-enabled version of OpenSCAD) but the only user-facing options are the Customizer which is quite limited, and a repository of files which users can access --- unfortunately, trying to bring up a canvas or UI window crashes the app.

Re: GUIs are built at least 2.5 times

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Post by edu »

codyb wrote: post #118
catmanjan wrote: post #52

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Very interested to hear about a high quality UI as I have never encountered one

You got downvoted for the snark, but damned if it ain't a reasonable opinion. If you read the seminal "Design of Everyday Things" by Norman Rockwell you'll come away annoyed at half the physical _doors_ you walk through... here in 2025. I've been pushing these terms to help us talk about and design better interfaces at work... Static Interfaces - Your supermarket's pretty much a static interface. The frame of whateve…

Small nitpick, "Design of Everyday Things" is written by Don Norman.

Re: GUIs are built at least 2.5 times

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Post by RodgerTheGreat »

WillAdams wrote: post #151
Grosvenor wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People you should be paying careful attention to this. You could be living 40 years in the future. Instead, we're were we are and rapidly ossifying.

I'd like to find a nicer development environment which made use of such options. Apple killed off HyperCard, Runtime Revolution became LiveCode which when opensource, then closed source and now is only available for monthly license fees. PythonCard never got to 1.0 and hasn't been updated in almost two decades... I'm currently doing all my development in: https://pythonscad.org/ (Python-enabled version of OpenSCAD) b…

Since you already seem to be a fan of Python, how about CardStock? https://cardstock.run

There's also Decker, which by default is tightly sandboxed but has opt-in APIs for filesystem IO, invoking external processes, etc: http://beyondloom.com/decker/

Re: GUIs are built at least 2.5 times

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Post by DVRC »

theqwxas wrote: post #146
DonHopkins wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PostScript is great for user interfaces! I've written lots and lots of user interfaces in PostScript. Just not Display PostScript. NeWS was a lot better for making interactive user interfaces than Display PostScript, and it came out a lot earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS The Story of Sun Microsystems PizzaTool (entirely written in PostScript): https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-story-of-sun-microsystems-...…

Is there any place where one could look up screenshots of this? I'd want to see what is capable with this technology

https://bsky.app/profile/dvrc.bsky.social/post/3lchv6gf5u22e

These are some screenshots of NeWS 1.1 running on SunOS 4.1.4 on QEMU that I took time ago. Unfortunately QEMU SPARC decided to break again. Also, keyboard doesn't work yet (forcing me to use the SunView terminal emulator), but probably it's due to the keyboard script.

In any case, SunOS 4.1.4 comes with OpenWindows out of the box.

Re: GUIs are built at least 2.5 times

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Post by codyb »

edu wrote: post #152
codyb wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got downvoted for the snark, but damned if it ain't a reasonable opinion. If you read the seminal "Design of Everyday Things" by Norman Rockwell you'll come away annoyed at half the physical _doors_ you walk through... here in 2025. I've been pushing these terms to help us talk about and design better interfaces at work... Static Interfaces - Your supermarket's pretty much a static interface. The frame of whateve…

Small nitpick, "Design of Everyday Things" is written by Don Norman.

Thanks, got a feeling when I typed that that there was something off about it... can't edit now!
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