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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by dragonwriter »

bobxmax wrote: post #146
jsheard wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the next logical step after companies shoving AI into every corner of their own products regardless of whether their users want it - now they're paying other companies to shove AI things into their products regardless of whether their users want it. Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations so they have to put their thumb on the scale by shoving it everyones face and then pre…

We've seen multiple companies in the last twelve months blast past any past benchmark of fastest growing company ever. It's become pedestrian for some of these companies to scale to $10m ARR in a quarter which has never happened before. "Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations" - classic HN copium

> We've seen multiple companies in the last twelve months blast past any past benchmark of fastest growing company ever.

So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by alterom »

game_the0ry wrote: post #103

Call me stupid, but I fundamentally do not grasp why xAI would pay Telegram for access to its users. $300M seems like a crazy amount of money to put into a chat app. I am genuinely curious about the business strategy behind the move bc that would be a market worth exploring - having something that the AI industry would pay for bc they are willing to spend a lot right now.

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by DisjointedHunt »

Telegram channels are upstream of ALL text based social media and to an increasing degress, culturally upstream to many content trends as well.

Take the war in Ukraines for example, the uncensored and real time updates you get in open Telegram channels make most intelligence agencies except for Five Eyes nations look regular.

This deal may be much bigger than it seems off the bat. The cohort of people using Telegram to exchange content is maybe the top 5% of the world in many important niches.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by ryandrake »

jsheard wrote: post #15
afavour wrote: post #6

Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

It's the next logical step after companies shoving AI into every corner of their own products regardless of whether their users want it - now they're paying other companies to shove AI things into their products regardless of whether their users want it. Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations so they have to put their thumb on the scale by shoving it everyones face and then pre…

It's absolutely wild and scary watching how much money is being spent on pushing AI down the unwilling public's throats. Nobody wants this. Yet we're hiring expensive AI researchers and developers, buying datacenters full of GPUs, and now paying "partner" companies, to deliver this thing that nobody is asking for. What in the world is going on here? What am I not understanding?

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by asadotzler »

98codes wrote: post #34
afavour wrote: post #6

Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

AI models being "sold" into apps is the new version of Google paying to be the default search in web browsers. Main difference now is that the worst version is the only one being sold.

Main difference is Google was paying a rev share, so both parties make bank off the deal, mostly Google. Here, there is no shared interest, just one company taking money from another for distribution with no financial return. Neither company has any incentive to make it work well.

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Post by AmazingTurtle »

northzen wrote: post #132
retornam wrote: post #123

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Indeed, it is undoubtedly advantageous for scammers and malware authors.

One day you will discover Internet and how advantageous it is for scammers and malware authors. Wtf is this argument even about? Knife is advantageous for robbers. Phone calls are advantageous for scammers. Your existence is advantageous for many malicious agents. So what?

Thanks for this comment, came here to say the same thing.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by asadotzler »

sidcool wrote: post #126
afavour wrote: post #6

Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

It's like Google paying Apple. Doesn't mean Google is bad, just means it needs the traffic and Apple has the reach.

Google pays a rev share on the return it gets from the deal. This isn't pay and cross your fingers child's play here. Google makes most of the money for search transactions that click ads and the distributor, Apple, makes a small fraction of that for providing the search access points. Where's xAI's lucrative return here? Where's their 80:20 split?

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Post by alterom »

FredPret wrote: post #117
reverendsteveii wrote: post #84

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> you can relax your grip on your pearls. Not the most polite way to discuss a genocide, or at the very least an absolutely dire situation.

>Not the most polite way to discuss a genocide, or at the very least an absolutely dire situation.

It's as polite way as using the word genocide to describe the experience of white people in South Africa today merits.

I can only reiterate the parent's recommendation to you.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Post by abletonlive »

seangrogg wrote: post #147
abletonlive wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fair to underestimate it when Tesla is still the dominant fully EV automaker globally and in all the markets that this article talks about.

By what metric(s)? Not being disingenuous, purely curious.

By number of fully EV sold each quarter. Take out hybrids from the metric because Tesla does not make hybrids
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