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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by haiku2077 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #135
haiku2077 wrote: post #118

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Preregister domain names, distribute then via chat apps like signal or whatsapp or telegram.

Whatsapp has mechanisms to prevent this kind of thing by blocking the messages from being sent, but I guess I'm confused about how this works financially. Sports streaming (especially something like La Liga) is the textbook example of a mass market product. The vast majority of the audience isn't technically sophisticated, and live streaming infrastructure is expensive. Pirate sites need a reasonably large audience t…

I personally don't know _anyone_ my age who pays to stream sports.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by [deleted] »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #110
michaelt wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare goes public in frustration, noting that they could just send take down requests for infringing content like every other rights holder in the world, Live sports piracy has the unusual property that you have to be able to get the block in place within the ~90 minutes of a football match, even at weekends and across time zones. Otherwise there’s no point. If the courts let Cloudflare slow roll this, at the…

How are streaming sites registering new domains and getting the site info out to the audience in that time frame? I suspect they're not and there's actually a period there's a window of weeks or longer for enforcement actions to be taken.

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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by mystified5016 »

moralestapia wrote: post #122
candiddevmike wrote: post #58

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Cloudflare becoming Too Big To Block. Sounds like it should become a utility.

Why? There's no rationale behind that.

When a thing or technology becomes so large and so relied upon that removal of that thing causes real physical harm to unrelated citizens or indeed the government itself, you should think about the risk and benefits of allowing that thing to be controlled entirely by a private entity with no oversight or responsibilities.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by jedberg »

neilv wrote: post #109
brookst wrote: post #107

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Mandating 100% availability sounds like regulating pi to 3.0. It can’t be done. If someone is on a home network whose router has been compromised and is part of a ddos attack, there’s no way their innocent HTTP traffic is getting through. Ditto if their machine has been compromised. Lots of scenarios where an innocent user must be blocked, unless the entire internet is reinvented. Which is beyond the scope of my proj…

> It can’t be done. If someone is on a home network whose router has been compromised and is part of a ddos attack, there’s no way their innocent HTTP traffic is getting through. Ditto if their machine has been compromised. To me, this sounds like giving up way too easily on engineering problems. One distinction to start with: Let's say grandma's router isn't part of a DDoS attack. Even if she might be trying to talk…

We have thought harder. We know the solution. But you have to trade off privacy for security. It's having every person get a cryptographic key from the government to identify themselves.

Some states are trying this now with porn sites and users are rightfully not having it.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by jedberg »

How come no one is mentioning the obvious solution -- LaLiga needs to make their product as easy to access as piracy. If they offered worldwide streaming of the matches available on an easy interface at a reasonable price, then none of this would be a problem.

Piracy is almost never about the price -- it's almost always about the availability. Especially when it comes to live sports.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by MallocVoidstar »

mac-mc wrote: post #91
jorvi wrote: post #46

I see so many people in these threads always complain about Cloudflare or Google CAPTCHA loops.. but even when using Private Internet Access (one of the most abused VPNs), I rarely if ever got on a full-on loop. Maybe Google CAPTCHA made me solve 3 things instead of one. Cloudflare is always just a checkbox. And I have my Brave and Firefox profiles hardened. I'm not saying you aren't experiencing this, but I am curio…

It's because you have previous cookies/state in your browser that you got from non-VPN addresses, which adds to your trust score. Do it with a clean browser with AdBlock and many, many things block you. If you don't clear your state or keep its original origin VPN only, you're breaking a big point of using VPNs.

I use Firefox Focus on Android (wipes its cookies on close) + Mullvad and Cloudflare captchas don't even make me solve anything, just tap on them and they let me through.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by spookie »

im3w1l wrote: post #86
vessenes wrote: post #39

I was unaware of this controversy so in brief: 1. La Liga (Spanish Football) finds pirates streaming their games objectionable 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. 3. They appear in court in Spain and get an ex-parte TRO blocking all Cloudflare IPs. (Ex parte TRO: restraining order granted without Cloudflare being summoned to court) 4. Based on t…

There is a new factor in the equation: Rising anti-american sentiments. This ties in with point 5 especially. Forcing Spanish websites off Cloudflare could seem like an additional benefit.

I've heard enough of this anti-american talk, and it sure smells like propaganda.

The huge majority of europeans have nothing against the american people. Please, do not propagate these claims.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by 6510 »

6510 wrote: post #81
kylecazar wrote: post #17

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What hoops? Payment? I pay to stream La Liga and it's about as easy as hitting 'Watch Live'

Say I want to watch some specific movie right now. How would you go about accomplishing this?

it's a serious question. I've tried hoarding subscriptions. It doesn't work.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by TacticalCoder »

Zealotux wrote: post #5

I live in Spain, while I find the whole "life-threatening" narrative a tad overblown: I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding.

> I agree these obnoxious blocks are unacceptable. Incredible how much power LaLiga is capable of wielding.

It's not even about the power. It's about how freaking dumb of a "solution" that is.

It's not "you're too powerful" (la liga and the judges enforcing this) but really "you're too fucking dumb".

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