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Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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Chesterton's fence

The man cannot be living, ergo there can be no reconciliation, ergo the promise/oath can only exist because nobody bothers to remove it; not because we don’t know the reasons for its existence. Though largely it wouldn’t matter in this case.

>The man cannot be living

you still don't know why the curse was put in place, vampirism, reincarnation, Devil incarnate, there are myriad possible reasons.

Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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In Germany even this wasn't enough, in a couple of bridges they had to constrain the road leading to the bridge in a way that only small cars would still be able to reach the bridge under repairs. I also imagine it wasn't cheap doing this, but apparently as long as people can get away with something there is always those that will try, regardless of how it impacts others.

https://youtu.be/ImU1mG7QC4I?feature=shared

Interesting, but I guess only works well on tunnel entries.

Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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Reminds me of the fact that for 500 years everyone graduating with a BA from Oxford had to swear that they would never agree to the reconciliation of Henry Symeonis, despite no one having any idea who he was for most of that time.

I was reading some stories and notes made by my grandfather, they where written sometime in the 1980s. He's recalling stories and people in the area where we lived, out in the country side. Apparently my family has feud with a priest from the late 1700 hundreds. The priest complained that people (my family included) wouldn't travel the 7 - 8 kilometers to the church during the fall and winter. The area is in between…

Understandable, in my experience, because priests and clergymen of whatever religion tend to be the most obnoxious backbiters.

Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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>If there's a law, no matter how ancient, the British should comply. If a law needs to be changed, that's the Parliament's job. If that's not religion, I don't know what is...

There’s a word for that sort of thing, it just happens to be: antidisestablishmentarianism That is for the removal of the Church of England as the religion of England, but it’s along those lines.

As someone else pointed out, you're over-negating establishmentarianism.

But it doesn't matter anyway - the UK is a pretty atheist society and getting more so... Those who self-describe as "atheist" in the census:

2001: 15.9%

2011: 25.7%

2021: 37.8%

In Scotland, figures are higher with a majority of the population now describing themselves as atheist (51.1%)

And these figures are only for people who describe themselves as atheists, not just agnostic. The number of people saying they believe "in god" was only 16%, and expanding that to "any god" bumped it to 27%, according to a YouGov poll in 2020.

Also, the most irreligious government ever is the most-recent one, with 40% of MPs opting to make a secular affirmation of service rather than swear a religious oath.

Basically the god-squad is done in the UK, it's just a matter of time - which is odd for a place with an official state religion, as opposed to somewhere like the USA which is officially non-affiliated with any religion, but has "christians" who wouldn't recognise Jesus unless he was white, toting an uzi, and telling them to give him money now to get a great afterlife - "prosperity gospel" my arse.

(Figures from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_Kingd...)

Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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I think you're conflating religious beliefs with ethics. You can't have a religion that is flexible on beliefs, otherwise it is not a religion, but the actual core religious beliefs are fairly limited. In Christianity, Jesus dying to reconcile the world to God is the whole point; without that it is something else. The whole point of Buddhism is that all emotions are pain, and that realizing that everything really not…

No... I'm afraid you're dividing up a religion in a way that anthropology does not. You are close to something. You've found the division between worldview, and religion. A worldview is bigger, and is individualistic - but generally founded upon tenants shared by others. "a framework of ideas and beliefs forming a global description through which an individual, group or culture watches and interprets the world and in…

Washing of feet is very much part of the easter liturgie, so is performed at least once a year by every bishop.

Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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No... I'm afraid you're dividing up a religion in a way that anthropology does not. You are close to something. You've found the division between worldview, and religion. A worldview is bigger, and is individualistic - but generally founded upon tenants shared by others. "a framework of ideas and beliefs forming a global description through which an individual, group or culture watches and interprets the world and in…

Washing of feet is very much part of the easter liturgie, so is performed at least once a year by every bishop.

That rite was originally done for every single time you visited anyone's house. Suggesting it is unchanged is disingenuous.

Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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This is why laws should have sunset clauses

They can just change the law? I suspect the reason it's not in this case is because it's kind of an endearing tradition that people like. I don't think you can say much about "the law" in general based on this case.

Wasting taxpayer money every time they build a bridge?

Re: Ancient law requires a bale of straw to hang from Charing Cross rail bridge

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Off topic but I am now old enough that more than once Calvinball references were lost with my co-workers. I was surprised (and then sad) at the realization that Bill Watterson is fading from the cultural ethos as I age.

Gone are the days when everyone was spammed with Monty Python references. The Gen-Zs in my office haven't even heard of, let alone viewed, the Holy Grail so half the references our boss lays out are lost on them. At least it's not dead yet. On the other hand, I had to ask them what a Kirby was. I'm still not sure but I know it's pink.

There was a thread on Reddit about the current British king on which someone commented

> Well I didn't vote for him

to which I naturally replied

> You don't vote for kings!

and the next comment was an antimonarchist slamming me for being a royalist toady.

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