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Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by e-topy »

nis251413 wrote: post #137
euazOn wrote: post #130

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Yes, that’s confusing and probably hard to find a good balance. Someone speaking Greek or Czech may expect to find their language around E (Ελληνικά) or C (Čeština), but nope, on Wiki it’s all the way after Z.

Don’t special characters always go after the Latin alphabet? I think this is pretty common, and fairly expected behaviour. Of course nothing is perfect but I feel like the way Wikipedia handles it is consistent.

Not in the Czech alphabet: a, á, b, c, č, d, ď, e, é, ě, ...

Also, we regard 'Ch' as its own letter. So yeah, try sorting alphabetically. I'll wait.

Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by [deleted] »

tapia wrote: post #23

I also hate the youtube "feature" that translates the titles of videos to your setting's language. This is so annoying. I can understand English and don't need these automatic translations.

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Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by jurip »

nis251413 wrote: post #137
euazOn wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that’s confusing and probably hard to find a good balance. Someone speaking Greek or Czech may expect to find their language around E (Ελληνικά) or C (Čeština), but nope, on Wiki it’s all the way after Z.

Don’t special characters always go after the Latin alphabet? I think this is pretty common, and fairly expected behaviour. Of course nothing is perfect but I feel like the way Wikipedia handles it is consistent.

It depends on the language. Unicode defines rules for it: https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/

Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by poulpy123 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #123
nulld3v wrote: post #59

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> First, Accept-Language is an ordered list, and most daily-multilingual people don't have an absolute order of preference, and more a topical list of preferences. Technically Accept-Language allows you to specify a "quality value"/weight for each language... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/... IMO there is a lot of improvements that can be made by both the browser and websites: Websites s…

Fundamentally the issue for me is, this behavior can't be automated in an elegant way. Having priorities and weight and language lists in the manifest help for negociation, but at the core of it, the user will want to choose language based on context and content. > Language selection should be done on the client side, not on the server. Yes. Using a site specific list on the client side could also do it (let's say I…

It cannot be fully automated but if we can automatically select a language based on native or translated it would cover 99% of use cases

Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by captainpiggies »

tapia wrote: post #23

I also hate the youtube "feature" that translates the titles of videos to your setting's language. This is so annoying. I can understand English and don't need these automatic translations.

It's even worse for videos with "official" dubs. I have been jump scared by German and French dubs on certain videos recently, I distinctly remember MrBeast, Mark Rober and Nick DiGiovanni. I have set my language to English and my Region to US (worldwide) I don't know what gave YT the idea to preselect these dubs for me, I have seldomly even watched a video that is not English.

Re: Don't guess my language

#156

Post by paulddraper »

nis251413 wrote: post #137
euazOn wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that’s confusing and probably hard to find a good balance. Someone speaking Greek or Czech may expect to find their language around E (Ελληνικά) or C (Čeština), but nope, on Wiki it’s all the way after Z.

Don’t special characters always go after the Latin alphabet? I think this is pretty common, and fairly expected behaviour. Of course nothing is perfect but I feel like the way Wikipedia handles it is consistent.

Sorting by character codes, yes.

But in the language native locale, no.

Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by whstl »

captainpiggies wrote: post #155
tapia wrote: post #23

I also hate the youtube "feature" that translates the titles of videos to your setting's language. This is so annoying. I can understand English and don't need these automatic translations.

It's even worse for videos with "official" dubs. I have been jump scared by German and French dubs on certain videos recently, I distinctly remember MrBeast, Mark Rober and Nick DiGiovanni. I have set my language to English and my Region to US (worldwide) I don't know what gave YT the idea to preselect these dubs for me, I have seldomly even watched a video that is not English.

Yep. Youtube is the worst:

- If I select German subtitles for a German video, it will auto-translate all English subtitles to German in the future.

- If I select subtitles for an English video, same.

- If the video has an Arabic, Hindi, French human-made subtitle to help that audience, it shows it to me instead of the automatic captions

Horrible.

Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by Guillaume86 »

gield wrote: post #74

This is a real pain in the ass in Belgium. Many websites assume I speak French while my native language is Dutch. Some websites only offer a French version of their Belgian storefront, even though Dutch accounts for ~60% of Belgians. I can't imagine what it's like for German-speaking Belgians. This is not only an issue on websites but also on apps. For example, the Books and Podcasts apps on iOS show me both Dutch-sp…

It's exactly the same problem on lots of websites if you're a french speaking belgian don't worry, you just don't notice it in that case.

Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by anton-c »

echoangle wrote: post #91
immibis wrote: post #70

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There's been automatic subtitle translation for a long time.

Good point, I didn’t even think about that because I would never watch a video in a foreign language with auto-translated subtitles.

I get you and normally wouldn't either. I was a little impressed when I could switch to like 10 diff languages on the fly. As a foreign language learner seems like it could be pretty helpful.

It's probably most useful for utility or news content. Not 'high effort videos' about an interesting topic. I'm imagining you find a video in another language that fixes a problem you have and can switch to your language to watch.

Re: Don't guess my language

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Post by whstl »

qiine wrote: post #87
sph wrote: post #50

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Now Reddit results are translated as well in Google, Kagi, so you think you have found a relevant response in your language, but it's just a machine translation from an English post.

duckduckgo seems to do it as well

Yep, this is coming from Reddit itself. It's using different URLs, and they seem to be making an effort to SEO-rank those translations.
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