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Just use HTML
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Re: Just use HTML
#152We made tirreno website [1] with only HTML 4.01 and 1 transparent pixel, no CSS or JS. Works well on any device. Easy to update. Highly recommended. [1] https://www.tirreno.com/
Doesn't work with any mobile phone. So what is the point in this?
Re: Just use HTML
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
This whole interaction is weird to me. Multiple commentators here have confirmed that your site is broken due to a, let say, somewhat unorthodox technical choice you've made. Rather than fix it, which would've probably taken less time than the thread here, you're trying to convince everyone else that they're holding it wrong. As an aside, it's not surprising that nearly none of your users access your webpage from mob…
> As an aside, it's not surprising that nearly none of your users access your webpage from mobile when it's broken on mobile. I doubt their lower mobile visitor numbers are due to the UX on mobile. They may have a lower conversion rate from mobile visitors but it sounds like people don’t visit much on their phones. A given user won’t know it’s broken on mobile before loading the page on mobile. Additionally, it is a…
It is not broken on mobile. There is simply nothing to be broken.
What commenters above are probably suggesting is that there is no adaptive version for mobile, but no one had promised one.
One small, but important correction, it's a B2B on-prem web application, and this is exactly the reason why any devices except those that can run the web server itself are not the target audience.
Re: Just use HTML
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just for fun, I tried opening the tirreno website on the first iPhone now, and it works as it should. However, it must be clear that no one expects this website to be taken as an example. Back in the day, there was no other solution than using tables and 1px gif spacing, this is just a reminder of how things were at the beginning. It’s like seeing neon gas advertising and insisting it should be made with a flat scree…
No, brother - a neon tube requires at least a 4kV transformer, she's not so easy going. And in 2025 there are still absolutely valid use cases for CRT oscilloscopes, lamp amplifiers, LPs and Compact Cassettes, if you're old enough to know what those things are. But arithmometers are only useful to have fun under influence, sorry. Don't be a luddite. A modern web browser, on the other hand, is the closest the humanity…
There is nothing about luddism here. We had a choice: to create a standard modern website, as everyone does these days, or to try something slightly different. The team chose a non-standard approach. To an external observer, such as our banker, it looks absolutely normal. However, if some CTO veteran were to delve into the code and encounter HTML tags that they haven't seen in the last 25 years, they might experience some sentimental or ironic feelings, but in any case, no one gets hurt. Luckily, the tag is no longer supported.
What these web page experiments actually prove is that there are people in the industry who either don’t know or have forgotten what a real HTML page without JS/CSS frameworks looks like. For those, it might be beneficial to discover how things were done at the beginning.
Thanks for mentioning the art. This is something that couldn't be done alone, as it requires both a creator and a spectator. From this perspective, feeling that this HTML web page has an influence on a different audience is exactly what modern art (not to be confused with programming art) is about.
P.S. I am not associated with the original post above.
Re: Just use HTML
#155We made tirreno website [1] with only HTML 4.01 and 1 transparent pixel, no CSS or JS. Works well on any device. Easy to update. Highly recommended. [1] https://www.tirreno.com/
Doesn't work with any mobile phone. So what is the point in this?
May I ask whether you see something shows in the devices below [1]? Or the page not loading at all, completely blank, or displaying a broken layout?
Re: Just use HTML
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you need to stop telling people what you think. There is a risk you might be wrong and you come across as ignorant. Case in point: I didn’t build my career around front end technologies. Frankly, I am certain you have no clue what I do. Don’t bend yourself backwards over it. All I’m saying is: if your sense of humour is repulsive, good luck. If it’s a satirical thing, give me a clue.
I think I’m right. That’s why you’re so offended. It hit a nerve.
Think whatever you want to think.
Re: Just use HTML
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
The short answer: Because anyone can do this using in-line or in-file CSS. The long answer: Technologies are a blend of humans and machines. Typing HTML code by yourself, especially in 2025, gives another level of meaning and human touch. It's more like modern art in some way.
Hard to disagree on the last part, but hand-coding HTML4 for food in 2025 is not the answer. First, it will look horrible. Second, if will look even more horrible on mobiles, which are first . Third, if you're really determined to go piedi nudi nel parco in a modern browser, why not abandon HTML4 as well, and the dreaded 1-pixel along with it? Just escape everything altogether, and you'll be fine. Avoid HTML5, CSS, W…
The ultimate irony of the moment is that you're typing this exact comment on a webpage that contains the following code:
Re: Just use HTML
#158Ha, nice! I created a little static site generator inspired by this "brutalist" style, in order to learn some Swift: https://github.com/saghul/brutalist-blog-generator
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We will see wildly different software paradigms as the need for human understanding drops Isn't an LLM basically another abstraction layer? Unlike React or EF Core, it can talk back
I think of LLMs as a compiler of language into code, it can generate lower level code than we would normally build
Makes sense
Re: Just use HTML
#160Look — I’m old enough to remember when the “web standards movement” was controversial. I had to argue with my boss about using CSS vs tables. And I remember when you did need javascript to do a lot of things that HTML now does natively. JS frameworks had to exist to push the state of the art, because the state of the art got stuck. The standards bodies and browser vendors got their shit together, and now you can do t…
Clearly an AI generated comment, should this be banned?