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Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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What exactly are you waiting for. I have two Dolby atmos systems, denon receivers, Apple TVs, OSMC boxes on both, and LG Smart TVs disconnected from the internet. Start up time is less than a second.

are you telling me the reason my tv turns on slowly is because it has internet access?

Yes

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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post #133

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What exactly are you waiting for. I have two Dolby atmos systems, denon receivers, Apple TVs, OSMC boxes on both, and LG Smart TVs disconnected from the internet. Start up time is less than a second.

are you telling me the reason my tv turns on slowly is because it has internet access?

IMO more than startup times, a reason to not connect your TV to the internet is ACR (automated content recognition). Note that ACR works irrespective of the video source.

Old article for background but if anything it’s even more common now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/18/you-wat...

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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Now there are more avenues for Samsung to shove bloatware down our throats. I have a modestly high-end home theater and it is utterly maddening waiting for devices to “boot” and “handshake”. And after the wait, I’m presented with another “User Agreement” to sign that insists on shoveling ads down my throat and harvesting data. How much do you have to pay for a quick boot, no ads, and a private movie or music experien…

AppleTV running Apple Music connected to my Marantz AVR. No ads. No privacy concerns. I get lossless stereo where available and Atmos on selected tracks. It's great.

How do you use it without needing a TV or display to navigate the UI?

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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I feel that sound bars + speakers directly attached to TVs has decimated the "home theatre receiver." "Back in the day", home theatre receivers made sense when you wanted Radio + CD inputs in addition to the TV input. But radio and CD players are gone. There is just TV. Even when I do audio, I run it through the TV. Thus why do you need a separate box? It just seems like a waste. Instead everyone these days are just…

> Thus why do you need a separate box? It just seems like a waste The sound quality of modern TV is absymal. The digital compression does play its part, but the speakers and the case are crap.

I have a Philips TV with awful sound connected to a Marantz NR1200 2.1 AV receiver. More than happy with it, handles all my audio needs and has so many inputs I don't think I'll need to replace it anytime soon.

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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AppleTV running Apple Music connected to my Marantz AVR. No ads. No privacy concerns. I get lossless stereo where available and Atmos on selected tracks. It's great.

How do you use it without needing a TV or display to navigate the UI?

you are being unnecessarily disingenuous

gp is most likely using a display that quickly boots into "source" mode – think hdmi input

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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post #116

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Same. Back in the mid 80s I spent way more than was sensible and bought myself seperate NAD pre/power amps, Boston Acoustic Speakers, and a Rega turntable for my birthday. I not only still have and use all that gear, but have since bought more of the same brands 2nd hand mostly from the same era, so I now have 5.1 surround in my lounge room, and stereo amp/speaker sets in my kitchen, office, bedroom, and guest bedroo…

I’d think there would be a market opportunity here. I have an old 70’s amp, and the switches/knobs are a bit noisy. Sure, I spray it down with contact cleaner, and it fixes it for a few years each time, but the dial light bulbs are starting to burn out. Most of its internals are hand soldered and switches /relays/etc that would be cheaper, better and more reliable with modern technology. Even though it was hand wired…

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Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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How do you use it without needing a TV or display to navigate the UI?

you are being unnecessarily disingenuous gp is most likely using a display that quickly boots into "source" mode – think hdmi input

> you are being unnecessarily disingenuous

I'm not, honestly. Think of AVR-integrated radio receivers and hi-fi CD players: a typical appliance-grade (non-raster) VFD/LCD display is sufficient for navigating through radio stations and CD tracks; I will admit that Alexa-style voice-control can work quite well for online services like Spotify or Apple Music, but even then I find myself frequently needing to reach for my phone (and wait for Amazon's webview-based Echo app to load) for anything nontrivial.

While a good modern TV can show a picture from standby in a few seconds, it "feels wrong" to me to have to turn-on an eye-burningly-bright main living-room TV just to select a song to play.

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

#158

Now there are more avenues for Samsung to shove bloatware down our throats. I have a modestly high-end home theater and it is utterly maddening waiting for devices to “boot” and “handshake”. And after the wait, I’m presented with another “User Agreement” to sign that insists on shoveling ads down my throat and harvesting data. How much do you have to pay for a quick boot, no ads, and a private movie or music experien…

> How much do you have to pay for a quick boot, no ads, and a private movie or music experience?

For me, I reckon less than 5k overall. JVC DLA-X5000 projector, Yamaha A1020 receiver, Focal Aria 936 speakers, SVS SB1000 sub, Raspberry Pi 2 with Kodi on it, a NAS with 16TiB of storage and gigabit networking to connect it all. All the AV stuff second hand, of course. No load times, no ads, just a system that works for me.

I do not accept technology into my life unless it works for me. If the latest nK formats and 1000 channel surround doesn't work without equipment that works for someone else than I'll never have it in my home. Simple as that. I'll read a book instead.

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

#159
post #116

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Same. Back in the mid 80s I spent way more than was sensible and bought myself seperate NAD pre/power amps, Boston Acoustic Speakers, and a Rega turntable for my birthday. I not only still have and use all that gear, but have since bought more of the same brands 2nd hand mostly from the same era, so I now have 5.1 surround in my lounge room, and stereo amp/speaker sets in my kitchen, office, bedroom, and guest bedroo…

I’d think there would be a market opportunity here. I have an old 70’s amp, and the switches/knobs are a bit noisy. Sure, I spray it down with contact cleaner, and it fixes it for a few years each time, but the dial light bulbs are starting to burn out. Most of its internals are hand soldered and switches /relays/etc that would be cheaper, better and more reliable with modern technology. Even though it was hand wired…

Eh? For 1000 credits you can get plenty of integrated amps brand new right now. You could even get one of the top multi-channel, multi-room AV receivers from Denon, Sony or Yamaha for that price. They will be better than your vintage amp, although they might not last as long.

Re: Samsung is paying $350M for audio brands B&W, Denon, Marantz and Polk

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you are being unnecessarily disingenuous gp is most likely using a display that quickly boots into "source" mode – think hdmi input

> you are being unnecessarily disingenuous I'm not, honestly. Think of AVR-integrated radio receivers and hi-fi CD players: a typical appliance-grade (non-raster) VFD/LCD display is sufficient for navigating through radio stations and CD tracks; I will admit that Alexa-style voice-control can work quite well for online services like Spotify or Apple Music, but even then I find myself frequently needing to reach for m…

It also introduces a lot of fragility into the ecosystem. If your TV fails (which does happen sometimes), you're suddenly without access to almost all features of the hardware? Unacceptable.
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