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America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by titaphraz »

simpaticoder wrote: post #54
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

>So in what way does this help the American people? Shutting down Mitre and the CVE is against American interests, both public and private. That said, you can make an argument, one that revolves around cost (was the CVE DB worth $50M a year, especially given its backlog?). The other part of that argument rests on assuming there will be a private or semi-private replacement for the service, that there may be many of t…

What does it cost to lose the control over it? I'm sure the an equivalent database could be maintained in another country for a lot cheaper, like in China or Russia.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by sofixa »

pmontra wrote: post #149
ivan_gammel wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Russia's chances against the Baltics are pretty good, I would say 1 in 3. And for Putin it's a proposition with no downside: at worst he loses another few hundred thousand subjects. Article 5 is still in effect, even if America won’t take its part. Attack of Baltics will trigger response from all neighbors including Finland, Sweden and Poland. Kaliningrad won’t last long, St.Petersburg will be within reach of artill…

If I were Putin I'd attack some very minor NATO state to check if NATO will really send soldiers to defend it. Example: is really somebody willing to die for Estonia? (Sorry HNers from Estonia, but you are just in the worst possible place of all of NATO.) If not, NATO will crumble into pieces. If yes, let's see who's sending soldiers and who won't, and how they will react to the first week of casualties. Keep going o…

> If I were Putin I'd attack some very minor NATO state to check if NATO will really send soldiers to defend it. Example: is really somebody willing to die for Estonia

Even if nobody else, the other Baltic states and Poland will defend them. Very decent chance of Finland, Sweden, UK, France joining as well.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by pmontra »

bluGill wrote: post #125
alxlaz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While Ukraine unquestionably put up a hell of a fight, the fact that the numerically superior army with the better and more numerical equipment, backed by the multiple times bigger and richer country failed is a failure. Especially when you consider that Ukraine doesn't have a navy and barely had an air force and anti-air, yet Russia failed at establishing air or naval control, let alone dominance. That's certainly…

While US commitment to NATO is uncertain, the rest of NATO still seems certain. Russia might be able to take the Baltic and/or Poland - but they won't be able to keep it. Soon as they cross the border (or more likely start building up) the rest of Europe will start building up their army to attack back.

A country attacks another one only if it doesn't have political control of it feels that never will. For example Russia doesn't have to attack Belarus and won't have to attack Hungary, and probably not Slovakia. They'll be part of the next Warsaw Pact without any bullet flying if their leaders will get guarantees that they can be leaders forever. Poland looked like it was going that way before the current administration. Ukraine itself have been pro Russia or pro NATO at different times in the last 25 years. No need to attack it when it was pro Russia. So let's see who that "rest of Europe" will be if and when there will be the need to defend some country in the East.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by _heimdall »

watwut wrote: post #148
_heimdall wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your snark misses the fact that the program has been funded by the US for 25 years and the decision to not make it a UN project has nothing to do with the current administration.

I am confused about what UN has to do with America shutting down services whose primary goal was to protect American infrastructure, government and companies. Some UN nations are quite happy about this, because it will make it easier to access what they want in US.

Only that the earlier comments raised that if the program was important it should be run by the UN rather than the US.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by varjag »

sofixa wrote: post #52
varjag wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia can barely handle a stalemate with Ukraine. See, people look at the stalemate and often draw false conclusions. It's not that Russia was too weak militarily, it's that Ukraine put up one hell of a fight. And all these economy size comparisons are mostly meaningless. Sure Russia may have a GDP of Italy but by the same logic Ukraine (which is a fraction of Russian GDP) should have lost long ago. > They have ze…

> See, people look at the stalemate and often draw false conclusions. It's not that Russia was too weak militarily, it's that Ukraine put up one hell of a fight While Ukraine unquestionably put up a hell of a fight, the fact that the numerically superior army with the better and more numerical equipment, backed by the multiple times bigger and richer country failed is a failure. Especially when you consider that Ukra…

> Especially when you consider that Ukraine doesn't have a navy and barely had an air force and anti-air, yet Russia failed at establishing air or naval control, let alone dominance.

Ukraine had dozens of airworthy fighter jets and well over a hundred air defense batteries at the start. Many of the latter were lost in the first weeks but Ukraine was fairly packed as far as smaller nations go.

> Russia has no chance of having a war against the Baltics only.

No, Russian chance of occupying significant part of Baltics with realistic level of NATO involvement is 1 in 3. It would be most certainly able to overrun the three states absent NATO support.

> Any aggression against them will be met with a swift reaction from Poland, which has a better equipped army than Ukraine. If Ukraine can destroy the best Russian units and hold to a stalemate the majority of the remainder for years, Poland will wipe the floor with the war criminals.

That's the spirit I was mentioning yeah, "Ukrainians are bit backwards unlike we noble NATO elves". Name one thing in Polish military that Ukrainian military today doesn't have though?

The coming war will be hell of a reality check for many.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by [deleted] »

galangalalgol wrote: post #90
noelwelsh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely irrelevant. Deliberately or not you're repeating the Trump / DOGE talking point of government expense, focused on expenses that individually and in aggregate contribute practically nothing to the federal budget.

I agree wholeheartedly in this case. But gutting the epa will almost certainly boost the gdp far more than the amount directly saved. At least in the short term. Burning rivers are a lot harder to clean up than tech debt. I think the idea was to free up a bunch of labor to replace the perfectly good spigot of labor we had in the form of legal immigration, and get rid of a lot of regulations that inhibit short term gd…

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by pmontra »

sofixa wrote: post #152
pmontra wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were Putin I'd attack some very minor NATO state to check if NATO will really send soldiers to defend it. Example: is really somebody willing to die for Estonia? (Sorry HNers from Estonia, but you are just in the worst possible place of all of NATO.) If not, NATO will crumble into pieces. If yes, let's see who's sending soldiers and who won't, and how they will react to the first week of casualties. Keep going o…

> If I were Putin I'd attack some very minor NATO state to check if NATO will really send soldiers to defend it. Example: is really somebody willing to die for Estonia Even if nobody else, the other Baltic states and Poland will defend them. Very decent chance of Finland, Sweden, UK, France joining as well.

Finland and Sweden yes, because they are the next ones in line on that front. UK probably but not 100%. France, it depends who'll be the president, who controls the parliament and what they'll have to say to get the votes to win the next elections.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by ashoeafoot »

simpaticoder wrote: post #54
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

>So in what way does this help the American people? Shutting down Mitre and the CVE is against American interests, both public and private. That said, you can make an argument, one that revolves around cost (was the CVE DB worth $50M a year, especially given its backlog?). The other part of that argument rests on assuming there will be a private or semi-private replacement for the service, that there may be many of t…

If they write more than two paragraphs for defanging usa == russian.botnik

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by gadders »

vonneumannstan wrote: post #146
gadders wrote: post #110

"The Washington Monument syndrome, also known as the Mount Rushmore syndrome or the firemen first principle, is a term used to describe the phenomenon of government agencies in the United States cutting the most visible or appreciated service provided by the government when faced with budget cuts." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_syndrome

Not sure this fits. Outside HN types how much of the general public cares about or understands Cyber Security?

True, but for people in the business that are going to complain, this is the most visible high profile piece.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by kayge »

lynndotpy wrote: post #56
meindnoch wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The computer is huge, you know, I told Elon the other day, and by the way I was the first one to say this, the computer is tremendous, tremendously important. Baron, you know, he's so good with the computer, and that's what I said many times, you know, good genes, good genes. A friend of mine, great guy, very smart guy, told me the other day, Donald, the computer, and by the way, this is what most people don't reali…

Is this a real quote from Donald Trump, or a humorous "this-is-what-he-would-say" thing?

Here's a real one:

“The county has, for whatever reason, also refused to produce the network routers. We want the routers, Sonny. Wendy, we got to get those routers, please. The routers. Come on, Kelly, we can get those routers. Those routers. You know what? We’re so beyond the routers, there’s so many fraudulent votes without the routers. But if you got those routers, what that will show, and they don’t want to give up the routers. They don’t want to give them. They are fighting like hell. Why are these commissioners fighting not to give the routers?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyzz9mUt6x0

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