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Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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I think there is a class of device here that is missing. Low power but forever devices that have some basic functionality. Over time I could see this taking over laptops and the like as ultra-low-power became more and more capable.

On that note, whatever happened to netbooks? As someone who writes a lot and need a mobile device to do it on, they used to be perfect. Can't seem to find the form factor anymore. Even the smallest Chromebook seems only slightly smaller than a laptop.

> whatever happened to netbooks?

Windows Vista and Windows 7 happened to them, and Android/iOS tablets happened to their target demographics.

And notebooks got much lighter and smaller on average, compared to the netbook era. You used to need a 14" or 15" notebook with an inch worth of screen bezel to get a "full-powered" CPU and enough RAM to have a reasonable desktop experience, plus an unwieldy docking station to have enough ports to wire it up to a work place; netbooks were tempting companions to that.

Today you can get a full desktop experience (and even some fairly high end graphics capabilities) with a 13" laptop that's smaller than 11" subnotebooks and ligher than most netbooks used to be, and can fit a full keyboard.

E.g., a modern Asus PX13 is about the size of an 11" Asus eeePC, and just as heavy… but it comes with a 24-core Ryzen CPU, 32 GiB RAM, and an RTX 4070. If I'm on the move, I can just take that, instead of buying a companion device, and if I'm in the office, I can connect it to multiple daisy-chained monitors with connected peripherals using a single USB-C cable. Other Windows vendors have similar offerings.

And that's just looking at direct equivalents; completely ignoring the Apple-sized ARM elephant in the room. The M series CPUs are nuts in terms of performance, but the battery life is comparable to netbooks.

> Even the smallest Chromebook seems only slightly smaller than a laptop.

For a while companies made ChromeOS tablets to fill the gap between notebooks and Android tablets, but the higher end Android tablets these days have cannibalized that market too. And "higher end" is relative; netbook prices (400-ish dollars) get you fairly capable 10"-ish tablets from multiple vendors, complete with precision stylus and keyboard/touchpad cover. That's big enough to get netbook-tier keyboards (which were never great, let's be honest), but small enough to fit in cargo pants pockets (very handy for air travel), and the battery life is measured in days.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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This makes me wonder: Are there any solar-powered navigation computers? It would be cool to have an off-grid navigation computer that can load all openstreetmap tiles.

reminded me of https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/power.html

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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This makes me wonder: Are there any solar-powered navigation computers? It would be cool to have an off-grid navigation computer that can load all openstreetmap tiles.

The Garmin 540/840/1040 bike computers have a solar option but it’s not sufficient to completely power the device. It just slows the drain by a few points.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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post #90

It sounds like it would be an awesome portable terminal emulator. Are there any good terminal emulator applications for DOS? How is the Minix 2.0 experience if you go that route?

Telix was good, as was CKermit for DOS. Neither supports modern perversions like 256 colors, but they both support VT220 or color ANSI.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never dumped a phone over its software. Ware, damage, swapping networks, meaningfully better hardware, or just losing the things explain basically all the replacements me or my friends / family have done. Sure, eventually people stop updating software to work on old devices but that’s because the overwhelming majority of people have already stoped using that hardware for other reasons.

Just last month I finally moved on from my iPhone 6, which had been working great for 10 years, because some critical apps stopped working unless I upgraded, but couldn’t upgrade because apple no longer released iOS updates. It needed a new battery, but held a charge on low power mode for 8 hours, and otherwise was perfectly fine.

This is the reason I switched from Android to iOS. You may be (rightfully so) disappointed that you only got 10 years of use out of it, most of those years got security and even some feature updates. Compared to an Android phone where, if you don't buy it on launch day, you're lucky to get even a full two years of security only updates, and if you're very lucky (read: Purchased a Pixel or Samsung), one or two new versions of Android.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people sell or give away fully functional, very powerful mobile phones, because of the end of the software support. Hardware is more than capable for a long time, and is often very durable. But it takes a special kind of audience to put up with decade-old unsupported software, let alone with IBM XT-level software (which I remember using). Security is not a consideration for such devices, because of their very li…

The unique thing about an IBM PC compatible like this is that it has an absolutely massive library of software that will continue to work and be "supported".

yeah, yesterday we had a post where someone was running fully up to date linux on a Nintendo Wii

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully upgraded, my XT had VGA, 1MB including extended memory shenanigans, a sound card, a SCSI card, and Ethernet.

but no 80186 (not that it matters much, but you started it :)).

It's true. Just an 8087 for companionship.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully upgraded, my XT had VGA, 1MB including extended memory shenanigans, a sound card, a SCSI card, and Ethernet.

but no 80186 (not that it matters much, but you started it :)).

TIL: NEC V20 was 80188 compatible.

Re: Evertop: E-ink IBM XT clone with 100+ hours of battery life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just last month I finally moved on from my iPhone 6, which had been working great for 10 years, because some critical apps stopped working unless I upgraded, but couldn’t upgrade because apple no longer released iOS updates. It needed a new battery, but held a charge on low power mode for 8 hours, and otherwise was perfectly fine.

This is the reason I switched from Android to iOS. You may be (rightfully so) disappointed that you only got 10 years of use out of it, most of those years got security and even some feature updates. Compared to an Android phone where, if you don't buy it on launch day, you're lucky to get even a full two years of security only updates, and if you're very lucky (read: Purchased a Pixel or Samsung), one or two new ver…

This has not been my experience with Motorola, unless you’re talking about OS major versions. With my last couple of phones I got several point versions and security patches for 3 or so years. It’s not my experience so far with my OnePlus phone either. Certainly I’ve seen phones that never updated from launch day, too, but I don’t think only Google and Samsung do updates.
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