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Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by cm2187 »

mgsouth wrote: post #46

I've no experience with Synology and have no opinion regarding their motivations, execution, or handling of customers. However... Long long ago I worked for a major NAS vendor. We had customers with huge NAS farms [1] and extremely valuable data. We were, I imagine, very exposed from a reputation or even legal standpoint. Drive testing and certification was A Very Big Deal. Our test suites frequently found fatal firm…

That being said, there aren't many major HDD manufacturers anymore, nor do they have many models. Synology is using vanilla linux features like md and lvm. You don't think those manufacturers have tested their drives against vanilla linux?

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by jwr »

I am very disappointed to see that. I've been using Synology NASs for the last, oh, 14 years or so, and I have nothing but good things to say about them. Most importantly, their software works and requires nearly zero maintenance in the long term. I care a lot about this: I have too many things in my life that require my attention and impose on me. I am OK with paying more for things that Just Work, and Synology has been in that category.

The locking-down is disappointing and unnecesary. Sure, give me the option of using "certified" drives, but don't take away the option of using any drive I have.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by queenkjuul »

bob1029 wrote: post #23
xyzzy123 wrote: post #11

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S3 or glacier? Glacier is cost competitive with local disk but not very practical for the sorts of things people usually need lots of local disk for (media & disk images). Interested in how you use this! 20TB which u can keep in a 2-bay cute little nas will cost you $4k USD / year on S3 infrequent access tier in APAC (where I am). So "payback time" of local hardware is just 6 months vs S3 IA. That's before you pay fo…

> S3 or glacier This is the same product. > 20TB I think we might be pushing the 1% case here. Just because we can shove 20TB of data into a cute little nas does not mean we should. For me, knowledge that the data will definitely be there is way more important than having "free" access to a large pool of bytes.

20TB is a single drive

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by frontlodjkgi »

bob1029 wrote: post #4

Storing encrypted blobs in S3 is my new strategy for bulk media storage. You'll never beat the QoS and resilience of the cloud storage product with something at home. I have completely lost patience with maintaining local hardware like this. If no one has a clue what is inside your blobs, they might as well not exist from their perspective. This feels like smuggling cargo on a federation starship, which is way cooler…

The only thing making S3 a no-go for me is their outbound traffic costs at $90/TB, which at 100TB restore would make out $9K just to transfer the data back once

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by frontlodjkgi »

transpute wrote: post #116
lazide wrote: post #111

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The issue is QNAP has terrible quality/stability at the OS level compared to Synology (also with Apps). The number of times I’ve broken things on QNAP systems doing what should be normal functionality, only to find out it’s because of some dumb implementation detail is over a dozen. Synology, maybe 1-2. Roughly the same number of systems/time in use too.

> QNAP has terrible quality/stability at the OS level Some QNAP devices can be coaxed into running Debian. https://wiki.qnap.com/wiki/Debian_Installation_On_QNAP https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/QNAP

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just build any NAS and chuck Debian on it if you didn't care about the OS and vendor software to begin with?

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by chme »

therein wrote: post #108
chme wrote: post #76

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I also have a TrueNAS, but because of its limitations (read-only root file system), I came to the conclusion that, if I ever need to reinstall it, I would switch to Proxmox and install TrueNAS as one virtual client, next the other clients for my home lab. I have found workarounds for the read-only root file system. But they aren't great. I have installed Gentoo with a prefix inside the home directory, which provides…

> I also have a TrueNAS, but because of its limitations (read-only root file system) It isn't really the case. TrueNAS wants you to look at it as an appliance so they make it work that way out of the box. On the previous release, they had only commented out the apt repos but you could write to the root filesystem. On the latest release, they went a little further and did lock the root filesystem by default but using…

But AFAIK, updates will overwrite everything, so installing anything is just temporary.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by queenkjuul »

ryao wrote: post #92
Kirby64 wrote: post #40

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TrueNAS isn’t nearly friendly enough for the average user. HexOS may fit that bill, although it seems rather immature. It runs on top of TrueNAS.

My doctor was able to switch from Synology to TrueNAS after I advised him to replace his failing Synology NAS with a TrueNAS box and I gave him a link to the TrueNAS documentation. He is fairly average in my opinion.

I think the fact they're a doctor puts them well above the average person's intelligence (or for your sake at least i hope so)

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by Dylan16807 »

_cenw wrote: post #104
mschild wrote: post #88

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I've been looking into a NAS myself. I think self-built is the best bang for buck you're going to get and not have any annoying limitations. There's plenty of motherboards with integrated CPUs (N100 same as cheaper Ugreen ones) for roughly 100. Buy a decent PSU and get an affordable case. For my configuration with a separate AMD CPU I'm looking at right around 400 Euros but I get total control. And as far as software…

Just keep in mind that Intel is keeping the total PCIe bandwidth out of those CPUs very constrained on purpose.

Ark says 9 lanes of PCIe 3.0?

For a NAS, I don't think I'd need more than 1-2 lanes for any single device. That sounds fine.

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