Any quick impressions of o3 vs o1? We've got one inference in our product that only o1 has seemed to handle well, wondering if o3 can replace it.
OpenAI o3 and o4-mini
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#152So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…
Im old enough to remember the mystery and hype before o*/o1/strawberry that was supposed to be essentially AGI. We had serious news outlets write about senior people at OpenAI quitting because o1 was SkyNet Now we're up to o4, AGI is still not even in near site (depending on your definition, I know). And OpenAI is up to about 5000 employees. I'd think even before AGI a new model would be able to cover for at least 45…
Remember that Docusign has 7,000 employees. I think OpenAI is pretty lean for what they're accomplishing.
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#153I have a very basic / stupid "Turing test" which is just to write a base 62 converter in C#. I would think this exact thing would be in github somewhere (thus in the weights) but has always failed for me in the past (non-scientific / didn't try every single model).
Using o4-mini-high, it actually did produce a working implementation after a bit of prompting. So yeah, today, this test passed which is cool.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Im old enough to remember the mystery and hype before o*/o1/strawberry that was supposed to be essentially AGI. We had serious news outlets write about senior people at OpenAI quitting because o1 was SkyNet Now we're up to o4, AGI is still not even in near site (depending on your definition, I know). And OpenAI is up to about 5000 employees. I'd think even before AGI a new model would be able to cover for at least 45…
Remember that Docusign has 7,000 employees. I think OpenAI is pretty lean for what they're accomplishing.
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#155A suggestion for OpenAI to create more meaningful model names: {Size}-{Quarter/Year}-{Speed/Accuracy}-{Specialty} Where: * Size is XS/S/M/L/XL/XXL to indicate overall capability level * Quarter/Year like Q2-25 * Speed/Accuracy indicated as Fast/Balanced/Precise * Optional specialty tag like Code/Vision/Science/etc Example model names: * L-Q2-25-Fast-Code (Large model from Q2 2025, optimized for speed, specializes in…
What about using Marvel superhero names (with permission, of course)? The studio keeps giving us stronger and stronger examples...
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#156It's pretty frustrating to see a press release with "Try on ChatGPT" and then not see the models available even though I'm paying them $200/mo.
Holy crap... thats expensive.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
To use that criticism for this release ain't really fair, as these will replace the old models (o3 will replace o1, o4-mini will replace o3-mini). On a more general level - sure, but they aren't planning to use this release to add a larger number of models, it's just that deprecating/killing the old models can't be done overnight.
As someone who doesn't use anything OpenAI (for all the reasons), I have to agree with the GP. It's all baffling. Why is there an o3-mini and an o4-mini? Why on earth are there so many models? Once you get to this point you're putting the paradox of choice on the user - I used to use a particular brand toothpaste for years until it got to the point where I'd be in the supermarket looking at a wall of toothpaste all b…
> Why is there an o3-mini and an o4-mini? Why on earth are there so many models?
Because if they removed access to o3-mini — which I have tested, costed, and built around — I would be very angry. I will probably switch to o4-mini when the time is right.
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#158So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…
Im old enough to remember the mystery and hype before o*/o1/strawberry that was supposed to be essentially AGI. We had serious news outlets write about senior people at OpenAI quitting because o1 was SkyNet Now we're up to o4, AGI is still not even in near site (depending on your definition, I know). And OpenAI is up to about 5000 employees. I'd think even before AGI a new model would be able to cover for at least 45…
> Im old enough to remember the mystery and hype before o*/o1/strawberry
So at least two years old?
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#159What is again the advantage of pro over plus subscriptions?
> We expect to release OpenAI o3‑pro in a few weeks with full tool support. For now, Pro users can still access o1‑pro.
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#160To plan a visit to a dark sky place, I used duck.ai (Duckduckgo's experimental AI chat feature) to ask five different AIs on what date the new moon will happen in August 2025. GPT-4o mini: The new moon in August 2025 will occur on August 12. Llama 3.3 70B: The new moon in August 2025 is expected to occur on August 16, 2025. Claude 3 Haiku: The new moon in August 2025 will occur on August 23, 2025. o3-mini: Based on a…
Gemini gets the new moon right. Better to use one good model than 5 worse ones.
I think all the full power LLMs will get it right because they do web search. ChatGPT 4 does as well.