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Re: Bored of It

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Post by zwnow »

sgarland wrote: post #146
zwnow wrote: post #78

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Because empathy isn't useful to society. One only lives once so you better make sure you'll be successful. Having empathy will actively hurt your own life

> …I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy. – Captain G. M. Gilbert, Psychologist at Nuremberg Trials

That implies there is evil, who's the judge on good vs evil?

Re: Bored of It

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Post by mdp2021 »

zwnow wrote: post #103
mdp2021 wrote: post #100

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> end up being successful And """success""" is not a value. Taken in those ways, it is the mark of the psychopath. Of course they did, because it is easier to achieve goals if you cut corners. In a gaming framework, it amounts to cheating.

Success is a value if the only thing that matters in my life is my own life. Tell me, how do I benefit from having empathy?

That you see trampling as a value does not mean it is; if you have to move the point to the value you attribute to your own life the issue is with your perspective over your life.

It is correct to see that you have that one life, so you have to use it wisely. The issue will remain about what is "wisely".

> how do I benefit from having

Did anybody tell you you should? You should develop adequate understanding instead - and that will also put the rest into the right perspective.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

zwnow wrote: post #147
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #125

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Studies show that the primary predictor for happiness is personal relationships. Make of that what you will.

What kind of people is the study based on? Does it include people with mental disorders? I dont value personal relationships.

Then, you should acknowledge that your experience is not representative of most other people and that basing general arguments like "empathy is useless" on your personal feelings is deeply flawed.

(But also, you come across as unhappy and angry, so maybe you're wrong about whether you need personal relationships to be happy. Many people are bad at understanding what makes them happy and end up unhappy because they mistakenly pursue things like wealth.)

Re: Bored of It

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Post by sgarland »

nathan_compton wrote: post #108
joewhale wrote: post #80

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Aging isn’t a problem. It’s normal.

That which is normal is not necessarily also good or not problematic. Racism is normal, but its a problem. War is normal, but its absurdly wasteful and problematic. Cancer is normal etc.

> Racism is normal

No, it is not. You ever observe small children in a multicultural group? They’re not racist, because they have no concept of it, nor why you’d want to do that. They see each other as peers. Racism is taught.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by lesostep »

thih9 wrote: post #70

> You know what I’m talking about, even though I’ve not mentioned it. Many comments here assume the "it" means AI. Is that certain though? As in: is there a line that without doubt would point to AI? In my view this text could just as well be about the iPhone (written 15 years ago and published today). Perhaps this makes "it" even more boring; i.e. that when the process ends with one "it", it starts again with a new…

Can't be an iPhone, iPhones don't need plants to power them and lakes to cool them. Could be tech in general though

Re: Bored of It

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Post by jxjnskkzxxhx »

latexr wrote: post #17

> The best minds of my generation I’m tired of that line. I remember first seeing it on “the best minds of our generation being employed to sell you ads”. Making a computer go brrr doesn’t qualify anyone for a “best mind”. I’d hope a “best mind” would be, above all, empathetic. Concerned about the well being of their fellow humans. Philosophical about the state of the world. Patient. Curious. Wise and not just smart.…

Im tired of the line "computer go brr". Is that the best you can explain yourself?

Re: Bored of It

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Post by spudlyo »

eimrine wrote: post #48
amelius wrote: post #10

Maybe they should start a new community and call it the AI-mish people ...

It has been called refusing to use proprietary software. People who use FOSS. Users, not useds.

I've been doing a thought experiment on what it would take to refuse to ingest any non public domain or creative commons licensed content. If one wanted to opt out of commercial entertainment, how hard would that be?

This gets complicated pretty quickly, because so much IP is implicitly granted, and poorly labeled.

Re: Bored of It

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

lolinder wrote: post #97
latexr wrote: post #17

> The best minds of my generation I’m tired of that line. I remember first seeing it on “the best minds of our generation being employed to sell you ads”. Making a computer go brrr doesn’t qualify anyone for a “best mind”. I’d hope a “best mind” would be, above all, empathetic. Concerned about the well being of their fellow humans. Philosophical about the state of the world. Patient. Curious. Wise and not just smart.…

This reminds me of Bret Devereaux's series on Alexander III of Macedon and the meaning of "greatness" [0]: > Only once we’ve stripped away the mythology and found the man can we then ask that key question: was Alexander truly great and if so, what does that say not about Alexander, but about our own conceptions of greatness? "Great" and "best" are both just words, words whose definition is defined by us who use them.…

It is curious to me that so many revered as “great” by culture often end up treating those close to them in abhorrent ways. Many worship Moloch not overtly but in the lack of accountability they require of high status individuals. It seems that once someone gets past a certain thermocline of status then accusations of character become less likely to stick. I’ve come to believe this is seen as a feature and not a bug by many people. Not everyone, but many.

Ultimately we get what we incentivize and reward as a society. Recent events are a painful reminder of that.

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Post by mouse_ »

daliusd wrote: post #56
eimrine wrote: post #48

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It has been called refusing to use proprietary software. People who use FOSS. Users, not useds.

AI is very open source and very commercialized at the same time. I don't understand your comment.

The comment you're replying to did not say open source, it said "FOSS"

Completely different thing.

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Post by conductr »

gzer0 wrote: post #42
adamors wrote: post #36

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Having been in IT for close to 15 years now, a lot of good minds work in IT a lot of good minds don't. But I've encountered a lot of stupid (for lack of a better word) people in IT who were convinced they are good at _everything_ just because they grokked algorithms and data structures. Not sure it's a phenomenon unique to IT, but what DOGE is doing is exactly what I mean.

Can confirm, this isn't just an IT thing. Physicians are a prime example—people tend to put doctors on a pedestal, and some doctors start believing they know everything about everything, even when it's clearly outside their wheelhouse. Being smart in one area doesn’t automatically make you an expert in another, but it’s easy for everyone involved to forget that.

I’m a CFO that used to work in healthcare. Have had many cases where a doctor tries to explain to me how accounting “should work” and I have to tell them we have this little thing call revenue recognition or GAAP or how accruals work, etc. basically the stuff covered in accounting 101.

I’m used to fielding questions about numbers from all types but only doctors will immediately jump to telling you it’s wrong without asking questions and adamantly insisting they know the right way to do things is what I’ve noticed as a personality quirk generalization.

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