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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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The golden goose is now Azure. Windows is (or will be soon) a free complementary OS to make more people use Azure services.

The only issue with that is when you switch to Linux, alternatives to Azure is much more compelling. I would never use Azure services unless I'm on Windows.

Could you explain this a bit more? I happen to like Azure, probably because I understand it a lot better than the other cloud platforms. What’s the connection to Linux OS?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

#152
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Well, those that are on the Windows 10 IoT LTSC builds will enjoy updates until 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows...

Do you know where to buy it?

It's hard to find information about it, but this post has quite a bit (some may be out of date): https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/bbof9s/windows_10...

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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I give it a week before someone patches it. I’m using LTSC. That’s fine. I suspect that’ll never require a Microsoft account. Edit: come on EU. Step up here. Tell them they need to give the users choice.

Do you still need an enterprise agreement to get a license for LTSC? That used to be the case for 10, anyways... kinda puts it out of the reach of most users.

You never need an enterprise agreement.

irm https://get.activated.win | iex

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

#154
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post #53

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That's the main reason why Valve is investing in Linux and Steam Deck.

Apropos, running Steam on my Archlinux Desktop with Windows compatibility turned on works really, really well. Much better than what I remembered from the bad old days of trying to get stuff running in Wine.

Linux Mint with Lutris and Wine.

I completely removed Windows from all of my personal notebooks and workstations.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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It's an argument for increased security in the same way that they consider uploading the contents of your hard drive to their servers to scan for "malware" (and other undesirable-to-them content) is. Corporate authoritarianism.

The trick is that most of the users need this service. Before Windows Defender was built in you had to buy an anti virus software from sneak oil Windows security industry, and likely get somehow scammed in process. The same companies sell anti virus for Android today. Also most users is not all.

> Before Windows Defender was built in you had to buy an anti virus software from sneak oil Windows security industry, and likely get somehow scammed in process.

And now you get the same from Microsoft. Clearly an inprovement.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

#156
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I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

They tried with windows S. No one bought it and if they did by mistake they returned it.

>Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

So true. I won't be running win11 outside of a VM and anything but win11 IoT. You know where to find it...

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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post #53

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That's the main reason why Valve is investing in Linux and Steam Deck.

Apropos, running Steam on my Archlinux Desktop with Windows compatibility turned on works really, really well. Much better than what I remembered from the bad old days of trying to get stuff running in Wine.

Valve started with win8, almost 15 years ago now.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

#158
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I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Mandatory code signing is meaningless without secure boot though, which can't be made mandatory on x86 systems.

Good thing they’re trying to move off x86, then

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Apropos, running Steam on my Archlinux Desktop with Windows compatibility turned on works really, really well. Much better than what I remembered from the bad old days of trying to get stuff running in Wine.

I second that, everything "just works" as you'd expect it to. If StreamOS can get widespread and they start to introduce desktop apps to the store, I think they can take some market share.

Imo just works is an understatement. Many games work better than ever.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Should be mentioned this is way worse than Apple Having to use an account to get apps from app store (Apple) vs. having to use an account to install and use the OS in the first place (Microsoft) = not even a a competition

You cannot even develop or use anything that needs a compiler without siging up and logging in to apple to install dev tools.

So nah, same.

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