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A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by like_any_other »

defrost wrote: post #149
like_any_other wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That same far right might challenge your idea of the far right. E.g. Germany's AfD is headed by a lesbian in a relationship with a Sri Lankan, and the party enjoys disproportionate support by gay men: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-so-many-gay-men-s...

In a world where Ernst Röhm, leader of the SA, the Nazi Party's stormtroopers, was openly gay, and Reich uniforms and Hugo Boss feature heavily in gay iconography ... that would suprise us why?

I was replying specifically to a post that equated the far right with anti-gay views. Ask them.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by defrost »

like_any_other wrote: post #151
defrost wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a world where Ernst Röhm, leader of the SA, the Nazi Party's stormtroopers, was openly gay, and Reich uniforms and Hugo Boss feature heavily in gay iconography ... that would suprise us why?

I was replying specifically to a post that equated the far right with anti-gay views. Ask them.

Fair point, I was chaining in general and not specifically having a go at yourself.

People are complicated and there's no shortage of head scratching examples of seemingly mismatched fellow travellers.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by albert_e »

daedrdev wrote: post #42
albert_e wrote: post #36

> One out of every two Danes has seen the documentary. Why not simpler English -- "half of the country has watched it" Also pendatic aside -- i think "every two danes" is a stretch -- i am sure we can find many instances of "two danes" where both has watched it. Or neither. Some are being born as we speak (write).

One out of every two X is an extremely common and perfectly reasonable phrase in english, meaning your complaint about finding 2 Danes who haven't watched it is nonsensical as we know they mean on average.

I know this format is common usage but don't see it commonly used to represent this fraction-- 50% or half -- where this construct seems needlessly long or formal.

The second part was just playful aside -- not serious. Ofcourse that didn't come through. I know there is a common sensical read that all readers will apply to it and it will not be misinterpreted. I thought this being HN people will find it amusing to treat it as a logical statement and parse.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by albert_e »

thwarted wrote: post #56
albert_e wrote: post #36

> One out of every two Danes has seen the documentary. Why not simpler English -- "half of the country has watched it" Also pendatic aside -- i think "every two danes" is a stretch -- i am sure we can find many instances of "two danes" where both has watched it. Or neither. Some are being born as we speak (write).

Why say "four out of five dentists" instead of "80% of dentists"?

Seems a bit needlessly long when employed for a concept more mundanely called "half". A lay person uses half more often, I would imagine.

For all other fractions, I don't feel it is that odd to use X out of Y construct.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by rat87 »

absolutelastone wrote: post #147
decimalenough wrote: post #106

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A lot of people in Europe absolutely have a problem with legal immigration, with asylum seekers particularly maligned. Specifically, the rise of far-right parties in Scandinavia, Germany and France is very much a reaction to legal immigration from Arab and African countries. The argument is not "they're stealing our jobs", but "they're abusing our welfare benefits, driving up crime and raping our women".

Is an asylum seeker really legal if their claim is a stretch and they are in fact just an economic migrant? Seems like an arguable category that should be treated separately. Though I agree there appear to be plenty of people in Europe who want to restrict legal immigration too. Is this taboo there now too?

> Is an asylum seeker really legal

Yes. You answered your own question. A person who is her legally is here legally. If their claim is denied (and I'd argue in many cases the bias would be towards denying valid claims then the other way around) and they refused to leave then they'd be an unathorized immigrant without legal right to stay in the country. But before then they are explicitly there legally.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by rat87 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #114
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #104

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Ummm... At least in the US, they are absolutely not worried about law breaking at all. Look who they just elected president? "Law and order" is basically dead here.

Do you want the Orange Man to bring back all those prisoners he sent to EL Salvador? Would you like them in your neighborhood?

I don't want orange man to deport ordinary Venezuelans to a left wing dictatorship. Or to another country for having tattoos

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-incredible-trump-admin-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/20/deported-bec...

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by absolutelastone »

rat87 wrote: post #156
absolutelastone wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is an asylum seeker really legal if their claim is a stretch and they are in fact just an economic migrant? Seems like an arguable category that should be treated separately. Though I agree there appear to be plenty of people in Europe who want to restrict legal immigration too. Is this taboo there now too?

> Is an asylum seeker really legal Yes. You answered your own question. A person who is her legally is here legally. If their claim is denied (and I'd argue in many cases the bias would be towards denying valid claims then the other way around) and they refused to leave then they'd be an unathorized immigrant without legal right to stay in the country. But before then they are explicitly there legally.

Taking words out of context generally never forms the basis of a good argument. For example here you cropped out the commission of immigration fraud, which leads me to doubt you accurately answered my question. In the US at least, such behavior can lead to punishments well beyond denial of the application. Are you saying in Europe it is fair play? Either way of course the point relevant to the thread is whether people are justifiable in viewing such applicants as illegal vs legal.

Re: A filmmaker and a crooked lawyer shattered Denmark's self-image

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Post by croes »

nolito wrote: post #112
croes wrote: post #59

Will that change Denmark‘s position in the Corruption Perception Index? https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024 I always thought the lower the more realistic

I d'ont. Im portuguese living in Denmark for many years. The difference is just perception. The portuguese say: "this shitty country is so corrupt". I never encountered any corruption in Portugal. The danes say: "See we are the best and justest country in the World without corruption". Facts say otherwise. Just google Lars Løkke Rasmussen and take a look at his actions

It became obvious to me in the banking crisis 2008 as everybody in Germany talked about corruption in Greece and ignored the German companies involved that bribed Greece politicians.

It doesn’t help either that the corruption perceptions index is often shortened in German to Korruptionsindex = corruption index which makes it sound objective instead instead of subjective

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