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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by gadders »

flowerlad wrote: post #126
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

Always a surprise to see the contempt people in blue collar jobs are held in by Democrats.

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Post by [deleted] »

rsynnott wrote: post #85
phtrivier wrote: post #49

The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ? For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...) For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but…

> I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but let's switch for political reasons" Some companies may see it as "let's switch for continuity-of-business reasons", not political reasons as such. Things may get worse over the next few years. Amazon is not spending billions on https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/europe-digital-sovereignty... for _fun_; even before ol' minihands's return,…

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by Intermernet »

apwell23 wrote: post #121
highwaylights wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO this is the big story here. Large companies aren’t driven by opinion/ethics/politics except where there’s a branding incentive, so the motivation here is cost/risk. That these same companies are actively trying to nope right out of the US tech market where they can shows that they’ve priced in very real costs to both Trump’s unpredictability and the very predictable response to tariffs in their domestic markets.…

> IMHO this is the big story here. Its not until we actually see numbers. This guy could be making up/exaggerating ( "everyone" really?) these stories, because thats what ppl do on the internet. These type of protests usually die down because human beings always choose convenience and lower price. Also see blm, dei and other "movements" that died down as soon as news cycle changed.

BLM, DEI etc are things that people care about, and will continue to care about. The news cycle promotes or rejects such concerns because they're driven by advertising and political favour. If you know about these things because of the news cycle, and your opinions are shaped by the news cycle, then the vested interests of advertising and political favour are cheering.

The news cycle should be orthogonal to your opinions on such matters. It shouldn't form them. A good acid test is to ask yourself if you had an opinion on something before it appeared in the news. If not, be very wary of the opinion that you adopt.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by dmos62 »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

I liked a comment by Sarah C. Paine, about how Communism is a really great system for taking power from within a state (think Mao), and then staying in power, but it's horrible for generating prosperity. When evaluating the choices of certain people, it's clarifying to not think in terms of prosperity, but, rather, power. I think there's a case to be made about Trump seeing advantage in making enemies of his political rivals' allies, and then there's that whole weird situation about making Russia-favoring decisions, who knows why.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by [deleted] »

flowerlad wrote: post #126
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by hnbad »

logifail wrote: post #20
avh02 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would Europeans not like it? edit: aha, misread the comment, i read it as, roughly: "europeans would not like it if americans start looking at the european alternatives", not "looking at alternatives to european products" - yes, i agree, Europeans would not like that.

"In 2022, 692,334 new EU-made cars were exported to the US, worth €36bn ($37bn; £30bn). While only 116,207 new US-made cars went in the opposite direction, for €5.2bn." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8kn5v37wxo

Keep in mind this does not reflect US companies producing cars in the EU. I see as many Teslas in my part of rural Germany as I see any other brand. But Tesla also produces these cars in Europe and so I doubt most of them are imports.

That said, automotive companies have way too much influence on European (and especially German) politics. While the consequences of these companies failing or shrinking would undoubtedly be bad, the upside is that this might reduce their influence too. Not saying one would outweigh the other.

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

moffkalast wrote: post #27

> Mistral AI > Hosted in: Sweden Well that's interesting, I'd have thought they would work with Scaleway for "the cat", is there some Swedish company offering cheap GPU instances?

The privacy policy[1] says it's Azure in Sweden.

[1]: https://mistral.ai/terms#privacy-policy

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by nonrandomstring »

Every comment here revolves around the question of whether of European customers may choose to relocate services in the EU as an alternative to dominant US ones. The background is that the US is now an "unreliable ally".

I see something else. If Europe has anything to offer (and because we are technically behind it is neither price nor quality), it must be based on political values.

The USA is an "ally in distress". What I am wondering about is those US customers who will now relocate to Europe where democratic values are better defended. If Europe can demonstrably uphold those values, given the true democratic spirit of the US people, then I see more than a "local first" movement for Europe. We can also anticipate an exodus of US principals in exile taking refuge in EU.

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Post by alex_duf »

moffkalast wrote: post #27

> Mistral AI > Hosted in: Sweden Well that's interesting, I'd have thought they would work with Scaleway for "the cat", is there some Swedish company offering cheap GPU instances?

There's this interview (in french) of a French cloud company CEO here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9y5eiNYhD8

The interesting part is when he deplores the lack of support between local actors, where instead of pulling each other up, everyone plays in their corner.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by goodcanadian »

flowerlad wrote: post #126
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

I grew up on a farm. Farmers as a class are not stupid, at least no more so than any other group of people I've dealt with. They do have different interests and priorities than city dwelling people which tend to be better represented by traditionally conservative parties, but that is not an absolute. In Canada, historically, farmers were also responsible for the social credit movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit). It's not a question of being educated/uneducated. It is a question of who is doing a better job of talking to them. "Urban elites" are just as ignorant when dealing with rural issues as farmers are when dealing with urban issues. It would be nice if more people were able to bridge the gap.
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