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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Yes. This is the reality of how it is. It’s unfair that this woman was caught in this but CBP have ultimate power crossing the border can be scary. My friend got her visa stripped and given a 10 year ban under Obama because of jokes in her text messages about a GC marriage. She didn’t get thrown in jail but she was refused entry back into the US and had to get someone to sell all her stuff while she flew back to her…

"It’s even worse in other countries."

It's not. I take you are comparing to western countries. If you have a valid visa and behave even remotely normal to the border agents you will have no issues. Only in the USA some border agents have the attitude of "I'm gonna get you" or making you feel unwelcome for no reason. Hell, even in "authoritarian" countries like UAE or Quatar I never experience anything but pleasant interactions on the border.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#152
I'm sorry, but the article seems to obscure a key fact, which is that she travelled to the US AFTER her initial visa was revoked.

It seems dumb to travel to a country that has explicitly revoked your visa without being granted a new one!

Nobody stopped her from getting on a plane because nobody checks if Canadians have a visa or not since they don't need one for short visits or stays. In this case her visa was revoked, so she was probably flagged in the system as temporarily not allowed in.

This is speculation, but maybe somebody here can weigh on the technicalities of the situation.

This is not to excuse the inhumane treatment, which if true is disgusting. Dealing with the CBP is always negative, even as a citizen (when returning from abroad).

Edit:

This really stretches credulity:

> I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?”

Edit2 (more dumb):

> There were around 140 of us in our unit. Many women had lived and worked in the US legally for years but had overstayed their visas – often after reapplying and being denied. They had all been detained without warning

>Another woman from Canada had been living in the US with her husband who was detained after a traffic stop. She admitted she had overstayed her visa and accepted that she would be deported. But she had been stuck in the system for almost six weeks because she hadn’t had her passport. Who runs casual errands with their passport?

Really? Not having your passport on you is the big mistake here?

Edit 3 (Even more dumb):

> One woman had been offered asylum in Mexico within two weeks but had been encouraged to keep going to the US. Now, she was stuck, living in a nightmare, separated from her young children for months. She sobbed, telling me how she felt like the worst mother in the world.

> Many of these women were highly educated and spoke multiple languages. Yet, they had been advised to pretend they didn’t speak English because it would supposedly increase their chances of asylum.

Trying to game the asylum system by lying to immigration authorities.

I'm not sure how all these cases are supposed to sustain the main thrust of the article, which is that all these people are innocent victims of some Kafkaesque nightmare for which they bear no responsibility. They clearly do.

We shouldn't be treating people like this period, but this is just really stupid behavior.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#154
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Switzerland by train and in the middle of the night being woken up by border guards with barking German shepherds asking for my passport" What is exactly wrong here? They checked your passport and went on their way, that is how it works.

Nothing wrong. The previous poster claimed that the US Border patrol was excessively scary but my point is this happens everywhere around the world.

The part OP is scared of and points to is some border guard revoking your visa, which probably implies you losing your job and having to leave the country you live in. This is scary because it is a very big, bad outcome to be totally in the authority of a random border guard to decide. Waking out by guards and dogs barking on a train is scary in its own right the moment it happens, but we are talking about totally different things whose only intersection is "border guards" and the emotional category of "scared".

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#155
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My takeaway from this is that laws and rules don't matter if the officials on the ground are incompetent, ignorant, and have contempt for you. There is a lot of unnecessary cruelty and lack of due process in this story.

There's that proverb "You might have the right of way, but the semi truck will still kill you". We might have the Constitution, but it apparently is enforced on an honor system. (Plus non-citizens don't have any rights, so I guess they aren't inalienable human rights after all, eyeroll)

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#156

I traveled to the US (from my country -France- and many others) for 12 years. About a trip every month. The last time was 10 years ago. I never had any problems (outside the horrible behaviour of border officers who show you that you are not welcome). I was stopped once by a policeman when I did an illegal car maneuver (which is tolerated in France), and when he realized I was a tourist with family, he just said, "Be…

I've already made the decision not to go to the US again for the foreseeable future.

Same. The president is repeatedly threatening to annex my country. I was already avoiding the US because TSA is creepy, but now I'm actively divesting from it.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#157
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Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like. The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these…

> Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like. No. The US is still the best place in the world for immigrants. There's no other place in the world (barring maybe Canada) where as many people from as many…

Nonsense.

Saying that as a European who lived in the US for a few years, now residing in Australia.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#158

>I was taken to the nurse’s office for a medical check. She asked what had happened to me. She had never seen a Canadian there before. When I told her my story, she grabbed my hand and said: “Do you believe in God?” >“I believe God brought you here for a reason,” she said. “I know it feels like your life is in a million pieces, but you will be OK. Through this, I think you are going to find a way to help others.” You…

Technically, that's not what the separation clause is about. That was not, however, professional behavior for a nurse, but I see extremely religious nurses on the reg. Much less so with doctors, but then again religiosity is inversely proportional to education.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#159
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My takeaway from this is that laws and rules don't matter if the officials on the ground are incompetent, ignorant, and have contempt for you. There is a lot of unnecessary cruelty and lack of due process in this story.

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It's certainly gotten worse, which is why I hope people will vote in every election they can vote in.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

#160
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Harris had to do to win was promise to stop sending arms to Israel. Many, many polls showed this very clearly. 77% of Democrat voters wanted an arms embargo, and over 30% of 2020 Biden voters in key battleground states said that this issue was serious enough to affect their vote. > A Harris organizer who worked on youth turnout said that senior campaign officials gave them an order: When they sent out mass volunt…

Well done for all the anti-israel-arming people. I hope they're happy with the outcome they wanted.

Another lazy $4 billion in arms to Israel two weeks ago...
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