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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Because some of us don't want our money to go to Nazism. That's not crazy, it's basic ethical behavior.

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> Unlike Musk, who is called one because... he is against illegal immigration?

He's called a Nazi because he boosts and endorses Nazi content on twitter, and recently repeatedly emulated an aggressive arm gesture that looks exactly like a Nazi salute.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Please read the entire sentence when you quote something: > That is not to say the opposite - that I think all anti-Tesla hatred/actions are justified. I'm just refuting your opinion specifically.

i didn't quote you that way. you said you do not think that all anti-tesla actions are justified. "actions" in this case heavily implies not picketing their HQ but the recent spate of vandalism and destruction. you didn't say you do think that all such actions are not justified.

if that is the case, then we have no disagreement, and i'm glad this cleared things up.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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>> Musk's views are quite normal Citation please

a majority of the American people voted for the guy who explicitly and repeatedly campaigned with him. that's a pretty solid citation.

I wouldn't be so quick to say a 'majority of the American people.' The 'majority' that voted for him is only about 31% of the voting-eligible population.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

Thanks to Leon's salute, instead of buying 1-3 more Tesla's in my lifetime, I'm going back to plain gas powered Hondas. I'm choosing specifically non-turbo non-hybrid models. The American people, with their choice of President, have shown me they don't care about the present or the future. I'm sure their president will keep gas prices low. I don't see any reason for me to suffer for their benefit or anyone else's. Th…

> Thanks to Leon's salute, instead of buying 1-3 more Tesla's in my lifetime [...]

I can see how one could make a plausible argument for this...

> [...] I'm going back to plain gas powered Hondas. I'm choosing specifically non-turbo non-hybrid models. The American people, with their choice of President, have shown me they don't care about the present or the future. I'm sure their president will keep gas prices low. I don't see any reason for me to suffer for their benefit or anyone else's. The American people have chosen to doom us all, so why not just make life easy on myself.

...but that makes no sense whatsoever.

A non-plug in hybrid is a gas car. All the energy used by its electric motors comes from either using the gas motor to charge its battery or from regenerative braking. It just uses less gas per mile than a non-hybrid and is more reliable than a non-hybrid [1]. If you want to drive a 100% powered by gas car and want to make life easy on yourself a non-plug in hybrid is the way to go.

Unless you need a pickup truck or something similarly beefy it is hard to make a case that a gas powered non-hybrid is better than a non-PHEV hybrid.

[1] Yes, non-plug in hybrids from the top hybrid car makers like Toyota and Honda are more reliable than gas cars. It is a little counterintuitive because you'd expect that hybrids would be much more complex due to having both gas and electric drive systems, but it turns out that they also remove quit a bit, and also the drive train can actually be simpler. Toyota's transmission on its hybrids for example is mechanically much simpler. The data from Consumer Reports and others that track reliability show about 25% fewer problems on non-plug in hybrids.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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He is suggesting the opposite. Attacking every company run by someone you disagree with politically is a recipe for not being able to participate in society in any meaningful way. Musk's views are quite normal and are shared by people involved in every company and institution out there. Are you going to boycott them all? These boycotts only work as isolated, selective outrage. It is the same with countries. If you wa…

Throwing around Nazi salutes is normal? Are you writing this from an evil mirror universe?

You, and most who believe that, are ignoring the part where he said something like, "My heart goes out to you!" as he threw his hand from his heart out to the people in the crowd.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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The Tesla, last I read about and test drove one, is a great car. Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? The phrase "shooting oneself in the foot" comes to mind. It makes no sense whatsoever.

It's just a car bro. No one is "shooting oneself in the foot" by not owning Tesla of all things.

That's also my point. No one gains anything by not owning one, either. If one does like and want the car, they only hurt themselves by not buying one. If Tesla went out of business and one couldn't buy a car they wanted, they hurt themselves.

I buy things that make me happy or give me an advantage of some sort. I wouldn't want to lose that. Someone else's politics or personal life don't matter to me.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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> the world's best crash avoidance system Interesting claim. Can you share any research or source into this?

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I'm sorry, but either it's factually true (or mostly there, to be chartiable) or it's just good vibes and made up, and the latter doesn't lead to curious discussion, an important ethos for this site. If you make a claim then understandably people will try to evaluate the claim to see if it's true, and to also decide whether the conversation can be held in good faith or not.
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