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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by userbinator »

The other WTF is here:

Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations.

Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that includes graphic depictions of sexuality or violence"

It's against the Terms of Use to use Firefox to... watch porn?

Either their legal team made a mistake, in which case they should correct it and issue an apology ASAP, or they really do intend to own you, in which case I recommend switching to an alternative browser which is only a browser, like Dillo, Ladybird, or Netsurf.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by jcranmer »

kazinator wrote: post #134

> Mozilla can suspend or end anyone’s access to Firefox at any time for any reason, including if Mozilla decides not to offer Firefox anymore. On what planet is that free, open source? Can you imagine: "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) can suspend anyone's access to GNU Emacs at any time for any reason, including if the FSF decides not to offer GNU Emacs any more".

Judging from nearby wording, this is primarily geared towards the Firefox account stuff as opposed to the Firefox browser.

(I'm not happy with Mozilla's decision to name everything Firefox, it makes things like this confusing.)

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by jcranmer »

userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

> It's against the Terms of Use to use Firefox to... watch porn?

Firefox isn't a Mozilla service. The Mozilla services are things like account sync, or the review tool they use.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by Mistletoe »

userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver...

Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by userbinator »

drpossum wrote: post #84
lenerdenator wrote: post #66

Mozilla needs to learn that when you're an operation running honestly as a non-profit and no one's getting rich (comfortable != rich, btw), there's nothing wrong with the donate nag in a blank new tab. Wikipedia figured that out long ago. They probably wouldn't be around without that nag box asking for donations.

There is something deeply wrong with the donate nag: The money goes to funding Mozilla-branded nonsense (e.g. misguided adventures into the VPN space), overpaid executives and bloated administration (as they actively shed developers [1][2]), and not the browser. I would considering donating except I can't donate to support what I would like to support. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growt.…

overpaid executives and bloated administration

It sounds like Mozilla needs to be DOGE'd too.

Edit: this was what came to mind: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/lswv11/my_firefox_...

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by kbenson »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #147
czk wrote: post #144

Is there a “brave” browser that uses Firefox?

There is a Brave browser.

I think what was being asked is if there's something like Brave that doesn't use a webkit derived back-end. Good defaults and a good stance on privacy is one reason to use Brave and historically Firefox, but another is that it keeps the browser ecosystem from being too homogeneous. Firefox is the last browser with over sub-percent market share, and even then it's less than 3%, so it's almost gone.

A case can be made that many of the browsers split from webkit (or split from things that split from webkit) long enough ago that there is competition, but IMO that's a far cry from a fully independent solution.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by czk »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #149
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a Brave browser.

I'd go with Ungoogled Chromium at that point.

I’m kind of addicted to tab containers right now and I have them set up in a way where I can proxy specific containers out different socks proxies that go through different VPN tunnels. Niche I know but it’s keeping me on FF.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by czk »

kbenson wrote: post #158
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a Brave browser.

I think what was being asked is if there's something like Brave that doesn't use a webkit derived back-end. Good defaults and a good stance on privacy is one reason to use Brave and historically Firefox, but another is that it keeps the browser ecosystem from being too homogeneous. Firefox is the last browser with over sub-percent market share, and even then it's less than 3%, so it's almost gone. A case can be made…

This exactly! Apologies for not being more clear.
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