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I've heard the sleep people get with this is excellent, but no way in hell am I paying a subscription and requiring an internet connection for my bed. The entire concept is just absurd. If it sells, it sells, I guess.
I've also heard people are having excellent sleep in their traditional modern beds. Me included.
I've bought several internet radio streaming devices over the years, and they all eventually brick when the server goes out of business.
We only had a book in my native language on Pascal. I had heard of C from a magazine that had a CD with a C compiler on it, and I walked into a library wanting to learn C but all they had was a dusty book on COBOL in Russian. Later I bought a book on x86 assembly, also in Russian, because that's all I could find, and it just felt like I'm living inside a leaky bucket whereas I was hungry for the firehose of knowledge.
When we got dial-up Internet, I did not sleep for days. The floodgates were open. I had access to tons of information online, in original English, from primary sources. People I've only had heard about, like Torvalds, would just share information directly on the Internet, like it's another Tuesday. To me it felt like I went to Disneyland and I was meeting all my heroes. You can just... learn about any topic and see the people who invented those topics. You could even send them messages.
25 years later, I still feel like that kid sometimes. I'm thankful for HN. Alan Kay replied to me once, and it made my year! Alan M-Fing Kay. I met rms once in the flesh and could not believe my eyes. I regularly see messages from Walter Bright on HN like he's a real human being and I have to remind myself that yes, he's alive, real and I exist in the same world as him and can actually interact.
I and kids around the world these days are lucky to not be stuck in a world where you cannot learn more than they let you.
Um, is that Bezos or the AWS account of the company? Alas, our hope to recover whatever social benefit was in SpaceX and Tesla is with Bezos's companies, although at least the EV space is more diverse. SpaceX cannot be wrested from Musk and TSLA and its board is preferred-stock controlled by Musk.
> TSLA and its board is preferred-stock controlled by Musk. Any source for this? I can’t find anything that says the Musk has enough voting power in Tesla to not need others’ votes: https://www.techopedia.com/largest-tesla-shareholders This is a pretty in depth analysis that shows that Musk needed retail votes for last year’s compensation and re-domiciling votes: https://clsbluesky.law.columbia.edu/2024/07/01/how-tes…
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/how-elon-musk-con...
A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.
I also wonder what kind of bed costs $2000. Is it a bed made of gold and caviar? This article is confusing.
I'm a two-time Eight Sleep customer and the CEO could post my sleep history specifically with my full name and I'd still use it. It's really comfortable. I think most of the detractors were never remotely in the market for such a product. Everything negative said about the product and the company is true, and they should do better, but it's not enough to scare me away thanks to how good the base product is.
But is it more comfortable, then say, an old school analog expensive mattress? I can’t shake the feeling these companies are selling snake oil (that is not to say that old school analog mattresses aren’t overpriced either)
Mattresses wear out, and people end up keeping them too long. Somewhere like walmart.com sells great mattresses for inexpensive prices. They are not related at all to what they sell in stores. Because they are inexpensive, as soon as they start to wear out, buy a new one.
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My partner has difficulty sleep unless it is the perfect environment (black out curtains, noise cancellation, sound bath, temperature), and is more prone to the effects of a single bad nights sleep. For people like her, $20/mo + $2000 fee is a small price to pay for a solution to a very difficult problem. I would of course, attempt to veto unnecessary IoT devices and subscriptions for usage, but this would be a fight…
She won't get any sleep if the wifi is down.
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In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting.
I agree with this so much. Opening an app is the last thing I want to do to adjust something while I'm in bed. I have a zigbee lightswitch so I can turn the light off from bed, and sure I could open an app to do that, but it's so much better to get a zigbee button and stick it to the wall above my head and program it to control the lightswitch. Unlike all the cloud garbage, my zigbee devices continue to function even…
A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.
*subjectively. Once you realize just how important quality sleep is, and how much this can help, $20/month bed subscription becomes a laughably small price to pay.
The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…
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I think the key feature is _cooling_ the bed, with warming secondary to that. That arguably sounds like a great nicety to have, notwithstanding all the downsides mentions in the post.
So now your getting hacked and breathing in toxins while you sleep. Hacked up the arse and in the mouth too. Nice. Yeah, no thanks. I try to make my bedroom as technology free as possible. Apart from a digital alarm clock; at night I put my phone on aeroplane mode and place it outside my closed bedroom door. It's the best I can do with today's bullshit tech. I've never had a problem with not having a cold bed, so may…