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Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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Post by steveBK123 » Thu, Feb 20, 2025, 12:59 PM UTC

milch wrote: post #148

steveBK123 wrote: post #142

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Yeah fair point, though there was a 5+ year period without the big screen model. Also the scribe apparently is fairly mediocre - https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/28/24328287/amazon-kindle-s... Also I at this point I have a mental block on spending more than $250 for any Kindle after years of dealing with their mediocrity. So I'd rather take a spin with a new device from a new company than hope this time after nearly…

I feel the same about my Kindle... but also have yet to pull the trigger on anything else. I've eyed some Boox ones, they have a million options from Kindle to tablet formfactor, including color, and they run Android so easy to do newspapers, magazines, feeds, ..., but I also find it hard to justify when my Kindle still works kinda fine . Ugh

Indeed, I had a Kindle Oasis refurb model, and it appears they've now retired it. Best kindle for me, and at $200ish didn't need to be great tech.

I liked the form factor better than paper white, because the margin had space for your hand to not accidentally touch-advance the page, plus the physical page turn buttons.

So if my Oasis dies, I'm left with the $400 scribe that is a price point I care if its good, or $150 paperwhite which I already know I dislike the form factor!

Hence trying Daylight..

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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Post by noperator » Thu, Feb 20, 2025, 1:39 PM UTC

> palm rejection while using the stylus

Do you mean that it doesn't sufficiently reject palm touch while writing with stylus? I'm a long-time Onyx BOOX user and hoping that DC-1 writing experience is as good or better.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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Post by bierlingm » Thu, Feb 20, 2025, 2:05 PM UTC

throw10920 wrote: post #105

tiffanyh wrote: post #81

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I've written about this before, but I too gave up on my Daylight - even though I truly love what they are trying to accomplish. I found it: - oddly heavy, the Daylight is made of all plastic (body & screen) - yet it’s heavier than an iPad Air made from metal & glass. - handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence. I have to concentrate to ensure it’s keep…

> handwriting lag, the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence Oh, that's a deal-breaker for me. I currently have a Remarkable 2, and the handwriting latency is imperceptible - it feels like I'm writing with a physical pen. However, the latency of doing anything except writing is very high - it takes almost a second to undo/redo or open the pen palette, for instance. The…

There's a pretty strong variation in input lag between apps. Sketching in the Concepts app rather than the Notebook/Noteshelf app for example is essentially instant. So this is mostly an issue of third party apps having varying levels of good/bad implementation.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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Post by deinonychus » Thu, Feb 20, 2025, 5:34 PM UTC

ge96 wrote: post #100

jgrahamc wrote: post #27

I have one of these and I'm just about ready to give it away. The problem is it doesn't fit a use case that I don't have better solutions for. I've found that writing on the screen makes me prefer paper; reading on the screen makes me prefer books. I wanted to like the DC-1 but every time I use it something feels off. Maybe that's partly because I don't enjoy the Android experience.

Semi-related: I had a Remarkable 2 and the best part of it for me was the texture writing. I decided to use a Surface Book 3 but the writing isn't the same... probably will try one of those textured surface cover things. E-ink is interesting as it's nice wrt long battery life but the slowness sucks too and this is not about the Android devices with an e-ink screen. RM2 you could program so that was cool.

>I decided to use a Surface Book 3 but the writing isn't the same... probably will try one of those textured surface cover things.

i totally recommend getting a textured screen cover if you can find one.

i had one for my SP7 and it made sketching and annotating dramatically more tolerable - even pleasant. i was concerned it'd degrade stylus nibs more quickly but it wasn't a problem. colors were naturally a hair less vivid but it was acceptable and a good tradeoff for less glare in general and honestly i liked how it looked - it felt less like i was looking at a screen, if you know what i mean. in hindsight i think it's crazy that they sell these tablets with untextured screens/nibs.

edit: this is off-topic but i enjoyed reading your bio. i hope you have a nice day.

Re: Thoughts on Daylight Computer

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Post by novok » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 7:09 PM UTC

throw10920 wrote: post #139

reissbaker wrote: post #137

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FWIW, I have both an RM2 and a DC1 and the handwriting lag feels similar to me on both (and quite perceptible on the RM2). YMMV.

Either your RM2 has something wrong with it, or you're (enviously) sensitive to latency. Both the marketing team[1] and independent testing[2] show that latency is under 25 ms. That also doesn't seem consistent with GP post that "the input lags when I use the pen is so much that it distracts me while writing a sentence" which shouldn't be in the same category as 25ms. [1] https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/What…

I have an iPad Pro, daylight and remarkable 2. iPad Pro is definitely the fastest. The daylight and rm2 are slightly slower and I do notice it, but they are definitely fast enough. The RM2 is the slowest and that is just e-ink physics at that point. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of the daylight when I used it.

It's all lost on me although, since I don't really like pen input. I find the RM2 frustratingly slow for an epub e-ink reader. Compared to a kindle or others it's weirdly slow, even when pen input is fast. The daylight solves the outdoor computing problem for me.