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Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by freeCandy »

alexjplant wrote: post #44
rincebrain wrote: post #42

This seems like a flashback to the xscreensaver fights with Debian of yore, given that the entire fight seems to distill to "OBS is shipping EOL Qt because of unfixed regressions in newer Qt, Fedora views shipping EOL Qt as unjustifiable neglect and repackaged it with newer Qt, which, as described, breaks things." [1] For those who don't have that in their context - jwz got very upset at people reporting bugs against…

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I find it insane that everybody is seemingly okay with the fact that websites get to know what a user was browsing before landing on their site. And that there's no straightforward way to disable this behavior without the use of extensions.

Highly recommend installing https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/smart-referer

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by thomasfedb »

bigiain wrote: post #114
jchw wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, not necessarily singling out your comment: I've seen mixed sentiment around the net. I think the characterization of the threats as being "legal threats" makes people more prone to see this as the OBS project being vexatious, but it seems like it's more a last resort to get Fedora to even pay attention. And credit to Fedora, it looks like they're working quickly to fix the problem now. It's pretty obvious…

> It's pretty obvious it wasn't malice that led them to not respond quickly. So stupidity then. Seems legit.

That’s a poor faith comment.

I’m a Fedora packager (not for this package). Like many others I have an unrelated day job.

If there’s an upstream complaint I might get to it this weekend, maybe next. If I’m busy for a few weeks that doesn’t make me stupid.

Have had my share of “discussions” with upstream who want the latest version packaged when this might not be completely in line with our guidelines. Not an uncommon issue.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by guelo »

dralley wrote: post #52
guelo wrote: post #24

Centralized App stores are bad enough, but App Stores tied to each OS release and the random whims of distro maintainers is insane. It holds back the whole ecosystem.

There's little real difference between OBS packaged as flatpak and OBS packaged as distro RPMs. This is basically the same conflict between upstreams and distro developers that has been raging since time immemorial.

Well I'm not for distro RPMs either. Windows and MacOs were fine for years without distro stores.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by jamesy0ung »

alexjplant wrote: post #44
rincebrain wrote: post #42

This seems like a flashback to the xscreensaver fights with Debian of yore, given that the entire fight seems to distill to "OBS is shipping EOL Qt because of unfixed regressions in newer Qt, Fedora views shipping EOL Qt as unjustifiable neglect and repackaged it with newer Qt, which, as described, breaks things." [1] For those who don't have that in their context - jwz got very upset at people reporting bugs against…

Don't link to this guy's site. He has a serious personal problem with every reader of HN (including the vast majority he's never met and knows nothing about) and serves an NSFW image to anybody that has this site in the referrer request header.

Doesn't seem NSFW to me at all. It's a skin textured egg with hairs in an egg cup.

https://cdn.jwz.org/images/2024/hn.png

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by petesergeant »

akerl_ wrote: post #34
remram wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the linked comment: > This is a formal request to remove all of our branding, including but not limited to, our name, our logo, any additional IP belonging to the OBS Project Honestly it sounds very reasonable, if you want to fork it's fine, but don't have people report bugs upstream if you're introducing them.

I mean, I think the right fix is just for Fedora to stop packaging their own version. But I think that's about being good people; I don't think there's a strong legal argument here for forcing Fedora to do that.

> I don't think there's a strong legal argument here for forcing Fedora to do that

Isn't the argument that by mangling the software, they've created a version that is no longer the original software, and the the trademark owner want them to stop using the trademark to describe this new version? I think OBS would be happy enough if Fedora simply decided to release their own "FBS" package instead that was the same, other than describing it as "OBS", which the trademark owners have specifically said it's not.

From the first line of the IceWeasel Wikipedia entry:

> At issue were modifications not approved by the Mozilla Foundation, when the name for the software remained the same.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by ellen364 »

jamesy0ung wrote: post #154
alexjplant wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't link to this guy's site. He has a serious personal problem with every reader of HN (including the vast majority he's never met and knows nothing about) and serves an NSFW image to anybody that has this site in the referrer request header.

Doesn't seem NSFW to me at all. It's a skin textured egg with hairs in an egg cup. https://cdn.jwz.org/images/2024/hn.png

Huh, looks like he changed the image in 2024 (based on url). Before today, I'd have said the jwz image was goatse.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by usr1106 »

freeCandy wrote: post #151
alexjplant wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't link to this guy's site. He has a serious personal problem with every reader of HN (including the vast majority he's never met and knows nothing about) and serves an NSFW image to anybody that has this site in the referrer request header.

I find it insane that everybody is seemingly okay with the fact that websites get to know what a user was browsing before landing on their site. And that there's no straightforward way to disable this behavior without the use of extensions. Highly recommend installing https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/smart-referer

Hmm, the addon description says "has been largely superseeded by better browser defaults"

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by midtake »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #113
rincebrain wrote: post #42

This seems like a flashback to the xscreensaver fights with Debian of yore, given that the entire fight seems to distill to "OBS is shipping EOL Qt because of unfixed regressions in newer Qt, Fedora views shipping EOL Qt as unjustifiable neglect and repackaged it with newer Qt, which, as described, breaks things." [1] For those who don't have that in their context - jwz got very upset at people reporting bugs against…

> Debian doesn't just ship upstream updates every 30 minutes. This grossly understates the problem. The debian xscreensaver package was years old, and contained bugs related to screen locking which were an actual security issue. Your comment is in very poor taste.

Debian is the most stable distro for a reason. They don't rebase from upstream every 30 minutes because it is a community project. It is wonderful that volunteers have continued the Debian project for so long.

In contrast, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, a distro funded by IBM and countless faceless backers, has recently stopped patching many vulnerabilities, recommending to their users to rely on mitigations instead, despite the availability of upstream patches.

Furthermore, the recent vulnerability threatscape is inundated with CVE hunters who are desperate to call the most minor degradation of service a vulnerability. For a community project (and apparently an enterprise-serving megacorporation), this causes patching fatigue.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Post by [deleted] »

freeCandy wrote: post #151
alexjplant wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't link to this guy's site. He has a serious personal problem with every reader of HN (including the vast majority he's never met and knows nothing about) and serves an NSFW image to anybody that has this site in the referrer request header.

I find it insane that everybody is seemingly okay with the fact that websites get to know what a user was browsing before landing on their site. And that there's no straightforward way to disable this behavior without the use of extensions. Highly recommend installing https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/smart-referer

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