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Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by georgemcbay »

dcchambers wrote: post #102
gizmo wrote: post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

I guess the solution is to create a shell company for your illegal activities?

The modern solution has been to grow so fast that by the time anyone can go after you legally you've already amassed so much money/power that you can have the laws rewritten (or at least enforced) around your existence.

IMO part of the reason the SV tech bros are embracing right wing grift culture so publicly now is that this method, which had been serving them well for decades, doesn't really work without the infinite free money lending spigot being wide open.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by anotherhue »

choult wrote: post #75
ysofunny wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the english empire once tried to mantain a monopoly over steam loom machines the americans cheated their way to competition, heck, even before that, the english empire got jumpstarted by stealing gold from the spanish (who were themselves exploiting it away from aztec and other mexican natives) I'm saying it's business as usual, but also, culture doesn't work like tangible physical widgets so we must stop letting a f…

Hollywood became popular for filmmaking because they were literally the opposite side of the country from Thomas Edison and his patents...

That and the predictable weather (old film needs lots of light).

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by roenxi »

miltonlost wrote: post #84
ysofunny wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the english empire once tried to mantain a monopoly over steam loom machines the americans cheated their way to competition, heck, even before that, the english empire got jumpstarted by stealing gold from the spanish (who were themselves exploiting it away from aztec and other mexican natives) I'm saying it's business as usual, but also, culture doesn't work like tangible physical widgets so we must stop letting a f…

People criming in the past is not an excuse for companies committing crimes today. You’re excusing lawlessness. Cain killed Abel and got away with it!! I can kill someone today too!!!

But the crime is creating something new. If laws are enforced that criminalise creation, then the world will be rather static.

It seems to be a consistent direction of history's arc that the people who make it easy to create and innovate get ahead.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by jamesbfb »

illegalmemory wrote: post #72
gizmo wrote: post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

" If you plug a laptop into a closet at MIT to download some scientific papers you forfeit your life." This is exactly what I immediately thought while reading the article. It almost feels like the legal system only punishes general public, while most of these guys are above it.

RIP Aaron

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Post by vladms »

isaacremuant wrote: post #115
illegalmemory wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" If you plug a laptop into a closet at MIT to download some scientific papers you forfeit your life." This is exactly what I immediately thought while reading the article. It almost feels like the legal system only punishes general public, while most of these guys are above it.

It doesn't "seem". The entire system in most countries works, by design, that way because the people in power trade in influence at a different plane. That's why democracy often feels "failed" in that no change can be achieved because "it's just more of the same". Few Lobbyists representing the interests of a few people have more power than millions voting differently.

What happens in US right now shows that change is achieved through voting. There are other examples as well in Europe where things did change because of how people voted. If the change is good or bad depends on your perspective.

For me the annoying part is that people vote for a guy because of a couple heavily advertised issues, ignoring all the other plans or the fact that he might not keep his word. Then they are unhappy that things "fail" for them.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by bko »

gizmo wrote: post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

The thing is Google, meta and YouTube weren't giant entities when they did this stuff. I think it's good no one cracked down on them for copyright stuff. Now they're developing an LLM that will generate potentially trillions in value to humanity and looks like they're not exactly playing by the rules. But I prefer looser intellectual property rights anyway so Im ok with it

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Post by aruametello »

piyuv wrote: post #117
Philpax wrote: post #98

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I don't think you've read the parent comment correctly?

Parent comment implies Swartz was guilty of some degree. I vehemently disagree with that.

> Parent comment implies Swartz was guilty of some degree

as a constructive criticism, you might want to reconsider your interpretation of

>"Remembering Aaron Swartz in this moment" -> Which was arguably more innocent — scientific papers.

As in, both hold some degree of illegality (objectively), so when pointed that "he is guilty of some degree" is due to the jurisdiction laws (broken or not) regardless of societal/moral values that the context may apply.

perhaps a better answer would be to point that he shouldn't be punished for those actions.

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Post by oblio »

londons_explore wrote: post #147
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #112

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> Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. I don't understand why you wouldn't just buy copies of the books. Seems like such a relatively inexpensive way to strengthen your legal case.

Pretty sure that even if you gave a purchasing team enough money for retail price and a list of all books ever published, they wouldn't be able to buy even a quarter of them.

Plus some people will just not sell at any price.

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Post by malfist »

dietr1ch wrote: post #133
stefan_ wrote: post #51

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The more concerning thing is that the best thing these overpaid people could come up with was.. download the torrent, like everyone else. Here you are, billions of resources, and no one is willing to spend a part of it to at least digitize some new data? Like even Google did?

I think they are morally required to improve the current state. - Seed the torrent and publicly promote piracy pushing lawmakers. - Contribute with digitisation and open access like Google did in the past. - Make the part of their dataset that was pirated publicly accessible. - Fight stupid copyright laws. I can't believe that copyright lasts more than 20 years. No field moves that slowly, and there should be tighter…

Copyright and patent aren't the same thing. "Fast moving field" doesn't make sense in terms of copyrights. There's no reason the copywriter should last some minimum duration after the life of the creator.

If I write a really popular book, I don't want Hollywood to make it into a movie without compensating me just because they waited a few years

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