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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by aqueueaqueue »

mcphage wrote: post #50
drivingmenuts wrote: post #30

Oh, look! We've cut off shipments from China! Now you'll have to buy American. News flash: we can't afford to buy American. Why do you think we were shopping there. It's too late to fix it now - we no longer have the money or the ability to make the money to buy American and even if you gave more money to Americans, prices would just increase accordingly. Also, some of those products were paid for already. Someone ow…

> News flash: we can't afford to buy American. Oh come on now, how much more does an iPhone made in the US cost? Oh. Hmm.

Right now. $10bn?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by BikiniPrince »

JohnBooty wrote: post #122
reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

Can you ship via non-USPS couriers? FedEx, etc?

Yes, private shipping is perfectly fine. This is not a shipping embargo. USPS is just not taking packages. Letters and flat rate will continue to be processed.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by sandworm101 »

reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

Are there not other delivery services? Is FedEx also not allowed to deliver packages?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by pclmulqdq »

Aurornis wrote: post #141
dtquad wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages from China As a software engineer who works closely with electrical and firmware engineers I know what you are saying is completely true. The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves h…

> The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves how these Chinese firms are so cheap? It’s not really a secret. They have cheap labor. Very lax environmental standards (big deal for PCB manufacturing). They have a high density of manufacturing and production. One factory can get their materials and machi…

Most US-based PCB manufacturers can do low-volume PCBs rather cheaply for you, but not quite at China prices. AdvancedPCB in the US has their "$33 each" which gets you a very quick turnaround on a pretty-good-tech 2-layer board for $100 total (minimum 3 boards). They do 4-layer PCBs for $66/board and they apparently also do RF materials for $100/board. Sierra Circuits, for example, also has similar prices. This is a market that exists.

This is not the price you get from China, but this is still a pretty damn good deal. When I was in college, $33 each was great (this was before JLC and PCBWay), and I would say the same for most hobby projects.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by Taniwha »

abrookewood wrote: post #7

Any idea why?? Presumably the tariff/trade debate?

My guess is that because of Trump's "de-minimus" change the USPS will now have to collect import duty on each and every parcel - they've probably stopped so that they can tool up for doing this. The annoying part of buying something is going to be physically going down to the Post Office and paying them, (or possibly having to poll them to pay online).

I live in NZ, manufacture open source hardware in China and ship from there. I ship all over the world, some countries charge import duty, some don't, but as an exporter I NEVER have to pay anyone's tariffs - Americans are going to learn who pays tariffs because now you personally will get the bill and have to deal with the annoyance of having to pay it.

Note: NZ charges import duty (which here is essentially our sales tax), they have deals with places like AliExpress/Digikey/etc to pay it at source (ie it shows up in your cart as you check out)

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by pclmulqdq »

stingrae wrote: post #148
Aurornis wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves how these Chinese firms are so cheap? It’s not really a secret. They have cheap labor. Very lax environmental standards (big deal for PCB manufacturing). They have a high density of manufacturing and production. One factory can get their materials and machi…

In China, they compete with each other to get be the cheapest. Here (Bay Area) it feels like the PCB fab and assembly houses have decided to be higher priced because the defense contracts (and FAANG Quick turns) are willing to pay it.

The assembly houses have done this, but the American PCB fabrication companies often have a "slow and cheap" service. They definitely optimize for the defense market, though.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by vkou »

stikit wrote: post #90
conception wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for China they have an environmental plan far and away better than the US’s “what do the rich want to do?”.

Can you give details of China’s environment plan?. All I hear about are the dozens of coal plants China builds each year. Are they no longer building those plants?

They are building more renewable capacity than the rest of the world combined, and have an 86% renewable target for 2050.

What's the US target for 2050?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

stingrae wrote: post #148
Aurornis wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves how these Chinese firms are so cheap? It’s not really a secret. They have cheap labor. Very lax environmental standards (big deal for PCB manufacturing). They have a high density of manufacturing and production. One factory can get their materials and machi…

In China, they compete with each other to get be the cheapest. Here (Bay Area) it feels like the PCB fab and assembly houses have decided to be higher priced because the defense contracts (and FAANG Quick turns) are willing to pay it.

I think your cause and effect is backwards. They target defense and FAANG R&D because there's no way you can compete on price when you have to pay your employees $20-30 an hour and you have to do small batches because you can't compete on price.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by ggm »

Anyone got a non-intuited, horses-mouth reason why? I suspect (ie, intuit) that its actually an attack on the USPS, not on China. The party of government doesn't like the post office, and this is to teach us not to like the post office either.

I guess if they stopped using electric cars, they might like the post office again.

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