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Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Yes, but he was really bad in some respects, that clashes with his public image/caricature in a way that kind of matters

In what respects?

He is known to be a womanizer and to have used his fame to sleep with women, and may have fathered some illegitimate children.

But the most damning is that apparently the FBI has an audio recording of him laughing and even giving encouragement while another man rapes a woman in a hotel room.

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If the FBI had really done it, I doubt they would have left classified records saying they had. Most likely, either the records would have been destroyed long ago, or they never would have created any in the first place Other possibility: they really didn’t do it, but there’s some classified record which sure makes it sound like they did. e.g. some record of J. Edgar Hoover joking about doing it

If the FBI did it off the record then technically it's not the FBI it's a rogue actor or cell that happens to work for the government If a bus driver for a federal prison snapped and shot him we could say the same thing. Where is the line between agency and private party if it's not drawn on the record?

I think there’s a big difference between “random FBI field agent decides to murder someone” and “FBI director asks his deputy to murder someone”. Attributing the murder to the FBI as an institution makes a lot more sense in the second case than in the first

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And if those transcripts don’t have incriminating evidence, should they still be released? If they interviewed everyone at that parade, what they were doing etc, and some of those people were completely uninvolved but maybe having affairs, or doing something immoral (whatever that is), then shouldn’t they be afforded privacy? Eg Imagine one would be mortified to have what sex toy was in their pocket at the time docum…

I think a simple redacted name would address that concern

I’d mostly agree with that. After sufficient years have passed. Name isn’t the only way to identify someone.

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Reading the Epstein saga start to finish has been instructive as to how power works in this country. I previously had not understood it.

What you wrote is very interesting (and intriguing). What readings would you recommend?

Not the person you asked but what (s)he described sounds like "One nation under black mail" by Whitney Web. Actually worried whether the author would get Epsteined herself.

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#155

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And if those transcripts don’t have incriminating evidence, should they still be released? If they interviewed everyone at that parade, what they were doing etc, and some of those people were completely uninvolved but maybe having affairs, or doing something immoral (whatever that is), then shouldn’t they be afforded privacy? Eg Imagine one would be mortified to have what sex toy was in their pocket at the time docum…

I think a simple redacted name would address that concern

For people taking part in the parade, I doubt that. Extreme example is Jackie Kennedy. “I was sitting next to the president” identifies her pretty well.

There were people in the crowd who can easily be identified, too. For example, Zapruder’s testimony would have to leave out that he shot a movie and was life on television that day, and quite a few other details to anonymize it.

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Most likely outcome is docs are released and there is still mystery.

Put me on record as being in the "nothing ever happens" camp: Oswald done it, the grassy knoll is just a particularly grassy knoll, and the remaining 1% or whatever unreleased files contain a fat nothingburger.

I'm personally on the "JFK shot himself" bandwagon now.

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Put me on record as being in the "nothing ever happens" camp: Oswald done it, the grassy knoll is just a particularly grassy knoll, and the remaining 1% or whatever unreleased files contain a fat nothingburger.

You still have to explain the magic bullet impossibilities, fully intact bullet on the stretcher, Oswald as known CIA asset (CIA reports show this), etc. None of this is really explainable by the official story.

Sure, maybe the CIA did it, maybe the Cubans or Soviets did it. I'm not really invested in the "real truth" of the situation. I'm just saying that I don't think the remaining documents are going to say anything that we don't already know.

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In what respects?

He is known to be a womanizer and to have used his fame to sleep with women, and may have fathered some illegitimate children. But the most damning is that apparently the FBI has an audio recording of him laughing and even giving encouragement while another man rapes a woman in a hotel room.

The same FBI that sent him anonymous letters, trying to encourage MLK to choose suicide?

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I think the idea was to wait for people mentioned in those documents to die, so as to not affect their privacy. You want people to tell the truth to government investigations in the future, and not hold something back because they think in 15 years the government might just release a transcript of everything you told them.

That's a legitimately good reason. Are the entirety of those remaining 1700 documents redacted? If so, then they should just redact parts that would uniquely identify those last surviving people and release the rest of the documents.

Sounds like a bunch of work. I thought the priority was reducing waste of taxpayer dollars?
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