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Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by Diti »

martijnvds wrote: post #145
heffer wrote: post #96

In similar news: The German regulator (BNetzA) just re-confirmed two weeks ago [0] that passive optical networks are not exempt from § 73 (1) of the TKG (Telecommunication law) which mandates that the interface between provider and customer is required to be a passive interface (i.e. mandating an ONT is already in violation of that). And that is fine. The different PON standards are reasonably well standardized and c…

I think there are similar rules (or there will soon be) in all of Europe.

Yes¹, but most European countries do not honor these yet².

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[1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32...

[2]: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/router-freedom-tracker-...

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by bob1029 »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #119
bc569a80a344f9c wrote: post #29

Conversely, by using their router and modem you move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easier. I care about that more than control. And I know damn well they ain’t got time to spy on me. Just because appeals to authority are fun, I spent decades as a network engineer and then architect.

> move the demarc to the Ethernet port on the inside of the router, which makes getting support significantly easier. I care about that more than control. > I spent decades as a network engineer and then architect. As an engineer, you've no interest in hosting your own services?

I'm in the same boat as OP.

I used to run my own DIY router setup for about a decade until I realized it wasn't adding much value anymore.

Anything that needs to be visible publicly I just throw on a VM in the cloud these days. Keeps my home network "normie proof" and calm. Anyone visiting can find the modem, locate the password and get online without forcing a 45 minute IT change order circus in my own home.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by throwaheyy »

redwoolf wrote: post #43

Can anyone suggest a good modem for DSL Fiber? I have CenturyLink/Quantum.

I have quantum fiber and am using a Dynalink WRX36 running OpenWrt. Needed the vlan 201 configuration but works well.

OpenWrt is pretty amazing, my router downloads torrents, blocks ads, runs a VPN client (enabled per-device) for watching geo-blocked streaming, serves content from a USB drive to my TV, among other things.

https://openwrt.org/toh/dynalink/dl-wrx36

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by joshstrange »

kimixa wrote: post #144
trimbo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in SF and Comcast doesn't charge me to have my own router. I pay $130 for 1.4gbit and unlimited data. It's expensive but I also have no other choices. Sonic stops only one block over and we haven't been able to convince them to wire up my block.

I live in San Jose and Comcast shouldn't charge me for my own router, but every couple of months the "equipment hire" charge appears on my bill again and I have to go through the song and dance of calling them again and getting it removed. I also pay a little more than $130 for gigabit with a 1tb limit. I wish I had options.

Ouch, I think a limit would drive me crazy. I pay $110/mo for FTTH, 1Gbps symmetrical, unlimited bandwidth, static IP (by default you get CGNAT), ISP (MetroNet) provides the modem, and I use my own router.

For fiber is it popular to use your own modem? I always bough my own cable modems (Surfboards) but once I switched to fiber I didn’t really investigate it. As long as the ISP gives me a “clean line” out of the modem then I’m happy.

I use about 4TB of download and 4TB of upload a month on average so a 1TB limit feels incredibly limiting.

I’m in Lexington, KY which can account for it being cheaper but if you told me 5-10 years ago that KY would have better internet than SF/San Jose/etc I would have laughed in your face. I also can get 2Gbps/1Gbps for an extra ~$30/mo but all my equipment is 1Gbps max so I haven’t considered upgrading until I do a more general refresh of my network hardware. I think they have 5Gbps (not sure the upload speed) coming soon but I haven’t followed it closely. And yes, I realize I could benefit some from having 2Gbps Internet, even if most of my equipment doesn’t support it because I could use some of it over Wi-Fi and the rest of it hardwired. My eero does support 2.5Gbps, just nothing else in my house does more than 1Gbps.

That’s also insane to me, I’ve spent quite literally my entire life chasing faster internet speeds and always paid for the best plan available (aside from 10x priced business plans) and now I’m passing up a 2x download upgrade because what I have works great.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by joshstrange »

nine_k wrote: post #114
hackernudes wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My current residential price is $65/mo for 500mbps/20mbps. Business is $120/mo for 500mbps/200mbps ($105 for first 24 months). I wouldn't mind getting a bit more sweet sweet upload. Maybe I will! There is also "gigabit pro"/"gigabit x10" where they run fiber to your house. That is $350/month for symmetric 10gbps. Lots of limitations on availability and a big install fee, though. Gotta get the other half on board with…

I always wonder what are some ways to put 10 Gbps (well, even 1 Gbps) to good use in a home setting, beside marginally lower ping times. I'm not saying such uses don't exist, I'm just curious to know.

For me, the big win is everything being snappy and never having contention on my Internet connection. Maybe I could do with 500Mbps up and down just fine instead of a gigabit but I almost never hit the limits of my connection and that’s an amazing place to be. When I do hit the limits, it’s when I’m downloading a huge file and I’m very grateful for the speeds I have.

I’m not the first one to say this, but often it seems that faster Internet speeds have enabled completely new use-cases and applications that sometimes weren’t even obvious until a critical mass of people had the faster speeds.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by bowsamic »

pimeys wrote: post #137
anal_reactor wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In EU the second poorest country has the fastest internet. The richest country cannot provide cellular signal to all of its area.

Hey, we finally get fiber in the "richest" country. Telekom just wants to build it to our apartment, for free. They just need a permission from our landlord, who said no way and blocked the fiber installation. We are stuck with Vodafone only... I guess it is a better investment for them to smoke us out, renovate this place and rent it with three times more...

Ours blocked Vodafone too. We literally have no wired internet options. Our landlord just forces us to use their extremely slow WiFi

Also in Germany

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Post by hirako2000 »

account-5 wrote: post #141

This is all well and good but unless you have networking experience and know what makes a good router you're still stuck. What router should I be using in place of the ISP one? Can I trust it's manufacturer? How can I make sure it definitely is a one to one replacement and I don't need to use my isp router as a bridge?

One cannot trust manufacturers, it's common practice to put backdoors. That's why you simply get an OpenWRT compatible router and flash it.

It does not require networking experience, just a bit of curiosity and following a bunch of well documented steps.

Knowledge is required to build a decent setup. It doesn't end there for a proper environment, you also want a VPN, this can be configured at the router level. Oh, what about an ad blocker, blacklisting all known ads serving hosts perhaps?

Given the time we spent hooked online, worth gaining what really is vital knowledge for a decent internet access, or the internet will gain most of your precious attention.

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