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Emotional support across adulthood: A 60-year study of men’s social networks

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Unlike men, women tend seek out emotional support networks as a matter of course. There's probably some reduction as they age, but it's probably from like, the entire glee club to their husband, kids, five or six girls they keep up with from high school and the neighbor lady. A particularly gregarious woman like my wife can grow her support network. This is definitely an area meriting more research.

As a trans women, I have a unique perspective on how gender impacts social relations having lived life in each of the two worlds. Like commenters above mention, emotional support is table stakes in friendship among women. It is a kinder, gentler world - the kind of world you perhaps remember growing up in. That world still exists, but it's typically not accessible to men once they reach adulthood. How could men acces…

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As a trans women, I have a unique perspective on how gender impacts social relations having lived life in each of the two worlds. Like commenters above mention, emotional support is table stakes in friendship among women. It is a kinder, gentler world - the kind of world you perhaps remember growing up in. That world still exists, but it's typically not accessible to men once they reach adulthood. How could men acces…

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Why would you go through the effort of creating a sockpuppet just to hurt someone being uncommonly genuine and sharing insights from their lived experience? It’s pathetic. (Not to mention incredibly insecure. Phew!)

If you don’t change, don’t be surprised to find yourself utterly alone in a few decades’ time.

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Personally, I’ve also seen those emotional support networks used to destroy and manipulate women within them by other women within them. And to target the men ‘attached’ through the women within those networks. Under the guise of emotional support.

Setting healthy boundaries is usually the antidote to manipulation and sometimes that entails no longer engaging with that person or group. I'm curious to hear more about your story. It sounds full of valuable lessons.

The challenge I’ve seen, is women’s groups tend to not have/allow boundaries. At least in a ‘you can’t say no’ type of way. Lying/hiding stuff is of course pervasive, as a defense. It’s a really common pattern. ‘Mean girls’, ‘gossip group’, etc.

In many, it’s typical to discuss everything from the sex habits of them and their partners (in excruciating detail), their own and others affairs, to every embarrassing detail of their kids lives. It often seems to be a competition to see who can get the most exciting ‘tea’ out of each other.

In my experience, having indirectly seen/overheard many of these discussions, most men would be horrified if they knew what was really going on.

It happens in some men’s groups, but is much, much rarer.

As for my story - I’ve seen quite a few.

Office politics where a senior woman leader was essentially running a ‘sex for leverage’ campaign against all the men (and a couple women) in the group, using the women in the group as ‘bait’.

A church where the pastor got convicted of child molestation, but where the community insisted he be forgiven (after getting out), and he was indeed reinstated - while another part of the congregation had their entire family driven from the group (and harassed socially in the community for years) because the father divorced his spouse because of infidelity and physically abusive behaviors.

Oh, and the classic ‘ex wives club’ stalking and harassing an ex, and any new wife - and manipulating her into ruining herself and joining the club.

I’ve seen all these play out first hand, and they are just a drop in the bucket. I’ve ceased to be amazed at the cruelty often demonstrated.

Abusive men tend to work a bit differently, so their setups often look more directly hierarchical and have less information sharing going on. They tend to operate more off secrecy and/or threats of explicit violence, than manipulation.

But I’ve seen a few (rare) instances of similar setups. People can be awesome. People can be terrible.

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I had none for a very long time. Happy to report I have someone now. Your dismissal of people with small emotional support networks angers me if I'm being honest.

> Your dismissal of people with small emotional support networks That's not what I was doing. Like, I'm an extreme introvert. Most people are more extroverted than I am. Despite this, I have more than two close friends. Whatever's causing some people to have small emotional support networks is something that should be studied by scientists, rather than taken for granted like this article does. Preventing unnecessary…

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Why would you go through the effort of creating a sockpuppet just to hurt someone being uncommonly genuine and sharing insights from their lived experience? It’s pathetic . (Not to mention incredibly insecure. Phew!) If you don’t change, don’t be surprised to find yourself utterly alone in a few decades’ time.

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Why would you go through the effort of creating a sockpuppet just to hurt someone being uncommonly genuine and sharing insights from their lived experience? It’s pathetic . (Not to mention incredibly insecure. Phew!) If you don’t change, don’t be surprised to find yourself utterly alone in a few decades’ time.

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> Sometimes people are acting in extremely perverse, foul, destructive and antisocial ways, and they need to be castigated for it rather than told how brave and powerful they are.

Precisely. This is what I am telling you right now. You lack the very manhood you espouse. Pathetic.

OP made some insightful points that will stick in my mind and impact my life, and I am sure many others feel the same way. Your comment, on the other hand, will soon be flagged out of existence. A complete waste of energy. Your time would have been better spent jacking off in a corner.

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Unlike men, women tend seek out emotional support networks as a matter of course. There's probably some reduction as they age, but it's probably from like, the entire glee club to their husband, kids, five or six girls they keep up with from high school and the neighbor lady. A particularly gregarious woman like my wife can grow her support network. This is definitely an area meriting more research.

As a trans women, I have a unique perspective on how gender impacts social relations having lived life in each of the two worlds. Like commenters above mention, emotional support is table stakes in friendship among women. It is a kinder, gentler world - the kind of world you perhaps remember growing up in. That world still exists, but it's typically not accessible to men once they reach adulthood. How could men acces…

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> Sometimes people are acting in extremely perverse, foul, destructive and antisocial ways, and they need to be castigated for it rather than told how brave and powerful they are. Precisely. This is what I am telling you right now. You lack the very manhood you espouse. Pathetic. OP made some insightful points that will stick in my mind and impact my life, and I am sure many others feel the same way. Your comment, on…

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> Sometimes people are acting in extremely perverse, foul, destructive and antisocial ways, and they need to be castigated for it rather than told how brave and powerful they are. Precisely. This is what I am telling you right now. You lack the very manhood you espouse. Pathetic. OP made some insightful points that will stick in my mind and impact my life, and I am sure many others feel the same way. Your comment, on…

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> Sometimes people are acting in extremely perverse, foul, destructive and antisocial ways, and they need to be castigated for it rather than told how brave and powerful they are. Precisely. This is what I am telling you right now. You lack the very manhood you espouse. Pathetic. OP made some insightful points that will stick in my mind and impact my life, and I am sure many others feel the same way. Your comment, on…

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> What does it look like? Checking in on friends, learning to open up yourself, increasing emotional intelligence, learning how to hold space and reflectively listen.

My female friends frequently remind me to check in on my male friends, and it’s valuable to reflect on why I don’t make the effort and what it would take to get me to change. Being more vulnerable would only improve my life and yet it feels so difficult. A trans perspective is particularly insightful here, I think, since it straddles both worlds.

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