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Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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The electric Caltrain is so wonderful. It’s way quieter, the cars have nicer interiors, and it is running faster and more frequently than before. Between this, the new BART cars (also much quieter!), and Muni hitting a reliability & satisfaction records, there’s really a transit renaissance going on in the Bay Area. I really hope we can keep this going!

Still loud as ever until they get rid of the horns.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

#152
post #3

The electric Caltrain is so wonderful. It’s way quieter, the cars have nicer interiors, and it is running faster and more frequently than before. Between this, the new BART cars (also much quieter!), and Muni hitting a reliability & satisfaction records, there’s really a transit renaissance going on in the Bay Area. I really hope we can keep this going!

I was so excited for the EMUs, but unfortunately the near-vertical seat backs are extremely uncomfortable. I ride a coach bus to work and rely on working during my commute. I simply cannot work on Caltrain.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

#153
post #53

They claim that "Caltrain is running its service on 100% renewable energy", but they are connected to the same grid as everyone else. It doesn't really make sense to say, half of our electricity is green, so customer X is renewable, but customer Y is not renewable.

I'm using the solar. You're using the natural gas. Easy. You just say it.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

#154
post #3

The electric Caltrain is so wonderful. It’s way quieter, the cars have nicer interiors, and it is running faster and more frequently than before. Between this, the new BART cars (also much quieter!), and Muni hitting a reliability & satisfaction records, there’s really a transit renaissance going on in the Bay Area. I really hope we can keep this going!

Transit renaissance? Until I can get across both the 84 and 92 bridges by train, to Half Moon Bay, and to Santa Cruz by train, I wouldn't call it a renaissance.

Even Cupertino doesn't have a station ffs

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But for example if they used PMM squirrel cage motors etc, they would be nice and smooth, cheaper to build, more energy efficient. On the battery front, using car-style or truck-style EV battery modules would be more robust and would reduce cost by somewhere in the order of 50%. Instead, most trains still use induction motors (this is the high pitch whine you hear) and many train battery designs use industrial style…

What are you talking about? The noise you hear from trains is the wheels. Battery trains basically don't exist because of this cool invention called a wire and pantograph.

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Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

#156

19 million annually. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze here. They should focus on making Caltrain run reliably timely, and safely for the passengers. Once we get the ridership numbers up we can easily make up for the electricity efficiency.

Caltrain runs reliably and safely for me, can you elaborate?

The $19 million for regenerative breaking can be used to extend lines or add new stations. We can make up for energy efficiency later.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But for example if they used PMM squirrel cage motors etc, they would be nice and smooth, cheaper to build, more energy efficient. On the battery front, using car-style or truck-style EV battery modules would be more robust and would reduce cost by somewhere in the order of 50%. Instead, most trains still use induction motors (this is the high pitch whine you hear) and many train battery designs use industrial style…

What are you talking about? The noise you hear from trains is the wheels. Battery trains basically don't exist because of this cool invention called a wire and pantograph.

The “nice smooth trains” that commenters are talking about use a pantograph, transformer and small on-board battery, and can go a small distance (few kms) through tunnels and between track segments with the pantograph lowered.

The power system after the battery is similar to older model electric vehicles.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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> BART police why does a transit system need its own police force? Aren't municipal and county police enough?

That's a good question, any I have no idea of the answer, but the port authority of NY and NJ has it's own police. I always figured it was because it spanned jurisdictions, but perhaps there are other reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_police are actually a thing! It's not just transit either. Most of the big US railroads have their own private police forces. The officers are deputized by the state, and then by federal law their powers are valid in any state that railroad has track. They even have arrest powers.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

#159

19 million annually. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze here. They should focus on making Caltrain run reliably timely, and safely for the passengers. Once we get the ridership numbers up we can easily make up for the electricity efficiency.

It doesn't really seem like an either or type of situation. My understanding is the electricity efficiency is really just a nice bonus (or perhaps justification) for making improvements that would also increase ridership. I'm only loosely aware of the Electric Fleet, but my understanding is they add capacity that was desperately needed.

In what world is $19 million just a "nice bonus"?

Get the rider numbers up and extend the lines. Thats the only thing we need right now.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

#160

> regenerative braking on the new trains is generating and sending back to the electric grid approximately 23% of the energy consumed by the system does this make sense? let's round that 23 up to 25%, and say brake energy regeneration is 100% efficient (it's not): one quarter of the energy put into the system comes back out? city driving in a car, you might have your foot on the brake 25% of the time (yes, that's not…

Trains have little friction on the tracks. That's one of the ways they are much more efficient than a car (with rubber tires).

If the moving friction is very low, it makes sense that not that much energy is used to move the train once it's at speed. Slowing it down would return some of the energy back (with the rest dissipated as heat).

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