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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by pjmlp »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

That is what happens when developers want to be paid for their work, but refuse to pay for the tools they use, regardless of little they may cost.

So we're going back to the last century, but given we are in a different computing context, only the stuff that can be gated via digital stores, or Web Services, gets to have a way to force people to pay.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by nikkwong »

riskyingo wrote: post #148
thekevan wrote: post #119

There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that ar…

I would rather let Chinese companies take my data than US/EU ones where I have bank accounts. Unless you are a super important, influential person, you shouldn't worry about China.

Yeah, you better hope the code that you’re writing is not important at all.

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Post by nikkwong »

ioulaum wrote: post #127
thekevan wrote: post #119

There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that ar…

I doubt that this sends back tons of data. Early TikTok was basically a standard Chinese startup in terms of how they collected data to optimize the app... It's not because they cared about what "you" are doing. The Chinese tech ecosystem is just more competitive than the US one. Most social media companies have been careless with data until they got public backlash though... TikTok's systems are probably more secure…

Absolutely and verifiably false. WeChat became so important to the CCPs surveillance interests that it was essentially nationalized; and other apps that grow to its scale basically suffer the same fate. The only reason that hasn’t happened overtly to TikTok is because it’s an international product, so instead the nationalization happens discretely.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by nikkwong »

ioulaum wrote: post #133
Aloisius wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What bureaucrats? It was banned because of a law passed by Congress. Representatives aren't bureaucrats.

It was always BS though. AOC did an interview where she explains (what should be obvious to anyone), that US Gov had no proof whatsoever beyond trying to point at that Chinese law (much like Section 702 in the US), that makes TikTok seem risky. Except that TikTok isn't legally a Chinese company, and isn't really under their jurisdiction. Chinese companies like to be under the control of the Chinese government no more…

Absolutely and verifiably false, again! There are numerous data points that prove that the CCP exploits the TikTok algorithm to influence western views towards a pro-eastern bend. See my comment history for references. The close-doored national intelligence briefing that the senate got about the way the CCP manipulates the algorithm and on how TikTok is a national security threat resulted in a 100-0 vote in favor of banning TikTok. When do you get 100% of the senate to agree upon anything, ever?

TikTok was a threat, and will remain a threat until it’s divested from or shut down.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by guappa »

riskyingo wrote: post #148
thekevan wrote: post #119

There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that ar…

I would rather let Chinese companies take my data than US/EU ones where I have bank accounts. Unless you are a super important, influential person, you shouldn't worry about China.

It's just US, there's no EU getting your data.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by guappa »

thekevan wrote: post #119

There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that ar…

To me USA and China are both foreign nations, and USA is the one who is far more aggressive in terms of army and spies.

So as a non USA citizen, I'm way more afraid of USA than I am of China.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by guappa »

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

You can still do like that.

The problem is that coding was a passion, but turned out to be very lucrative profession so loads of people who can't do it want to do it.

This is why we have languages like Go, and AI tools: allow people who don't want to learn how to be developers, to get a job as developers.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by guappa »

ryang2718 wrote: post #139
dartos wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t worry. There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere.

Although, tbf, some libraries are documented better than others. Also, local llms with an agentic tool can be a lot of fun to quickly prototype things. Quality can be hit or miss. Hopefully the work trickles down to local models long-term.

And you think an llm can generate code to use an undocumented library? :D

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by d1sxeyes »

wilg wrote: post #38
softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

This is a free tool (though I wouldn't use it since its from Bytedance). Also you could have an AI powered IDE locally without a subscription.

For now. It’s not clear what the monetisation strategy is, but probably it will be paid in future (alongside whatever other strategies they may have, like selling data, etc)

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by guappa »

ioulaum wrote: post #128
softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

$20/mo isn't a lot... Especially if you make money with coding.

If you pay out of pocket it means it's not an approved tool by your company, which means you can be fired and sued for leaking their intellectual property.

Also 20$ per month is way less than what it costs them to run it. Eventually they will need to charge way more to cover their costs, and the people who can't code without an AI assistant will need to pony up :)

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